LiveLeak shuts down after 15 years online • Hacker News Board

Re: LiveLeak shuts down after 15 years online

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Post by Kye » Thu, May 06, 2021, 3:59 AM UTC

ryandrake wrote: post #38

I happen to think a lot of the pandemic denial and downplaying had to do with the media's refusal (for valid privacy reasons) to show what was actually going on in ICUs everywhere. The lack of graphic coverage kept the pandemic's worst effects out of sight, out of mind for a lot of people, allowing them to focus on and rage against the less important side-issues like how awful masks are and how upset it made them to…

I took covid seriously when a doctor I follow on Twitter shared how bad things were early on.

Re: LiveLeak shuts down after 15 years online

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Post by lovelearning » Thu, May 06, 2021, 3:59 AM UTC

drdrey wrote: post #89

Serious question: how can we ensure stable and long lasting access to this kind of content, no matter how offensive, to journalists and researchers?

I feel decentralized storage and better tools are the key both for technical and social reasons. We should start looking at old data just like we look at old paintings, old parchment books and fossils - as things with inherent intangible value to be preserved for, and by, every generation.

Centralized archives are single points of failures subject to political and business pressures. Political ideologies and their governments love to hide or rewrite inconvenient histories. I feel centralized archives (like Wayback Machine or Google's initiative) can't be trusted or relied upon for long-lasting access.

Something that surprises me is that the tech community seems to feel the necessity for long-term archiving much more strongly than the history / sociology / humanities research communities. I expected university humanities departments would be at the core of such initiatives.

Re: LiveLeak shuts down after 15 years online

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Post by moralestapia » Thu, May 06, 2021, 3:59 AM UTC

acituan wrote: post #144

moralestapia wrote: post #80

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>Counter-point; the world is mostly a neutral, even OK, place It isn't, you are lucky to be in a privileged environment. And I don't even mean warzones. People who live paycheck-to-paycheck with family or medical issues wouldn't agree with you.

> People who live paycheck-to-paycheck with family or medical issues wouldn't agree with you. You wouldn't know if you were talking to such a person right now without making a circular argument such that "a person without privilege cannot think the world is an OK place and since they think that they must be a person of privilege". Existence of depression and anxiety across all socioeconomic strata proves that logic w…

>Existence of depression and anxiety across all socioeconomic strata proves that logic wrong.

Further supporting the argument that the world is not "mostly an OK place".

Re: LiveLeak shuts down after 15 years online

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Post by randomopining » Thu, May 06, 2021, 4:01 AM UTC

buryat wrote: post #106

good. Human suffering should not be monetized. Perpetrators must not get any audience at all and must have no outlet for showcasing their acts. If you must watch gore to see the "real world" then you're part of the problem. Empathy doesn't require seeing someone getting dismembered.

Hah foolish. There are many well-written posts in this thread that say the exact opposite of you. They’re right.

With the money part I agree with you (most would).

Re: LiveLeak shuts down after 15 years online

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Post by exciteabletom » Thu, May 06, 2021, 4:02 AM UTC

drdrey wrote: post #89

Serious question: how can we ensure stable and long lasting access to this kind of content, no matter how offensive, to journalists and researchers?

web.archive.org

Re: LiveLeak shuts down after 15 years online

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Post by ddingus » Thu, May 06, 2021, 4:02 AM UTC

Kye wrote: post #161

ryandrake wrote: post #38

I happen to think a lot of the pandemic denial and downplaying had to do with the media's refusal (for valid privacy reasons) to show what was actually going on in ICUs everywhere. The lack of graphic coverage kept the pandemic's worst effects out of sight, out of mind for a lot of people, allowing them to focus on and rage against the less important side-issues like how awful masks are and how upset it made them to…

I took covid seriously when a doctor I follow on Twitter shared how bad things were early on.

Same. At one point there were a few.

Those people are heroes.

Re: LiveLeak shuts down after 15 years online

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Post by ddingus » Thu, May 06, 2021, 4:03 AM UTC

randomopining wrote: post #159

ddingus wrote: post #137

Too bad. Being able to pick up a little harsh reality was a good, sometimes sobering thing. We are trending toward a sort of digital disneyland. That depresses me. Reality is far less pretty, and escaping that, avoiding the implications is being made easy and doing that made to pay well. I do not see how this benefits us as people needing to know more than we do.

Oligarchization of the internet.

Can't say that is inaccurate.

Re: LiveLeak shuts down after 15 years online

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Post by throwaway_kufu » Thu, May 06, 2021, 4:06 AM UTC

ryandrake wrote: post #38

I happen to think a lot of the pandemic denial and downplaying had to do with the media's refusal (for valid privacy reasons) to show what was actually going on in ICUs everywhere. The lack of graphic coverage kept the pandemic's worst effects out of sight, out of mind for a lot of people, allowing them to focus on and rage against the less important side-issues like how awful masks are and how upset it made them to…

I’m just a tad more jaded and think had the reality been shown more, it would just have been spun by media to fit a desired narrative (i.e. what you’re seeing is normal, you’re just see it for the first time, and you should ask why you’re being made to see this now) or worse it would be called fake news/actors (e.g. students who survived school shootings being called actors, or entire school shootings being called fake).

Re: LiveLeak shuts down after 15 years online

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Post by SN76477 » Thu, May 06, 2021, 4:07 AM UTC

spamalot159 wrote: post #2

LiveLeak was the only video site that still felt like the wild west. If I was ever linked to a LiveLink url I knew something crazy was about to happen. I'm sure serving this kind of content had its hurdles legally. And running a video site cannot be cheap in the first place. LiveLeak will be missed.

It did feel like a 1999 internet.

Re: LiveLeak shuts down after 15 years online

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Post by heterodoxxed » Thu, May 06, 2021, 4:08 AM UTC

otabdeveloper4 wrote: post #157

ryandrake wrote: post #38

I happen to think a lot of the pandemic denial and downplaying had to do with the media's refusal (for valid privacy reasons) to show what was actually going on in ICUs everywhere. The lack of graphic coverage kept the pandemic's worst effects out of sight, out of mind for a lot of people, allowing them to focus on and rage against the less important side-issues like how awful masks are and how upset it made them to…

Perhaps the lack of graphic Covid videos isn't because people are too shy to post them. Covid is nasty, but at the end it's just another respiratory viral disease, a.k.a. "common cold". It's just that before we ignored the human toll of the "common cold". (Yes, it is nasty and causes e.g. strokes and heart attacks and pneumonia. It's a leading cause of death that we never bothered to report before because we're so de…

| it's just another respiratory viral disease,

Except it's literally not, it's a vascular disease.