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Re: LiveLeak shuts down after 15 years online

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You consider Reddit usable? I stopped using Reddit a few years ago, recently came back and tried both the website and (dark-pattern driven) mobile app. It's distinctly worse. Everything seems to have been re-engineered to drive "engagement" and/or mindless consumption.

If they ever kill old.reddit.com, I'm outta there. The redesign was awful.

Apollo.

Re: LiveLeak shuts down after 15 years online

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The world is a scary and violent place. Without Liveleak, you might never feel it. Until you see the actual violence and gore, it doesn't mean anything, it's just empty words. I didn't care at all about wars in the middle east until I saw the reality on Liveleak. Seeing dead children and people with their legs blown off made all the commentary on CNN and Fox seem so understated. A lot is said about desensitization as…

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Re: LiveLeak shuts down after 15 years online

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No, the 1-2 punch of Reddit and Discord have all but decimated the old vBulletin forum days. If you have a niche interest, Reddit and Discord are pretty much the only place to find a community for it. It's very dominant in that space now. I'm pretty much forced to use Reddit or else disconnect from communities I'm interested in.

How do you find Discord servers for a specific interest?

Word of mouth, on Reddit (sidebars or sticky posts), and ocassionally just googling "X Discord". Some very niche things, like character mains in video games, usually will only have a discord to my frustration.

Re: LiveLeak shuts down after 15 years online

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read your depicts and > I think the world has lost a valuable resource. nothing of the value has been lost. You don't need to see this to understand that horrible things happen in the world.

I think the very fact that reading those descriptions is confronting, if it is to you as it is to me, is evidence that you do need exposure to understand that horrible things happen in the world. I understand it academically, but every time I see or read something like this I realise that I don't really understand it.

it's just sick entertainment covered by explanation "I need to see how horrible the world is", and being the audience you create demand for future shock content at expense of human lives. There're better ways to educate yourself and make the world a better place.

Re: LiveLeak shuts down after 15 years online

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Four LiveLeak videos will always stay in my head. WARNING: even in text this stuff is horrifying. Stop reading if you don’t want to have nightmares. 1) an ISIS video where a 7 year old kid or so goes through a building where a bunch of hostages are tied up. He shoots them dead in succession. He looks like he’s about to cry throughout the whole video — but he doesn’t. 2) a completely covered up woman(?) in Iran is exe…

LiveLeak definitely had the ability to change you. There was a video from a dashcam where a couple is driving down a road, and a brick or rock falls off a truck driving the opposite way. It bounces on the road before slamming through the windshield and instantly killing the wife sitting in the passenger seat. Whenever I feel like a member of my family has gotten on my last nerve, pushed me to my limit, I think of the…

The video: https://youtube.com/watch?v=iazTQVi1CEE

Skip to 1:45.

Warning, it’s disturbing. Perhaps in a good way.

Re: LiveLeak shuts down after 15 years online

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Everyone's mentioning the many tragic and gory videos they've seen on LiveLeak.

But how were they making money? Also, is it moral to make money out of people's anguish and human tragedy?

I also don't see any mention of why they are shutting down.

Additionally, shouldn't these things be in the realm of journalism? Or is this the new journalism? Shouldn't there be some kind of fact-checking against this?

In today's world where anybody can post videos which elicit responses (and the more responses the better), shouldn't there be some ombudsman?

Re: LiveLeak shuts down after 15 years online

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The world is a scary and violent place. Without Liveleak, you might never feel it. Until you see the actual violence and gore, it doesn't mean anything, it's just empty words. I didn't care at all about wars in the middle east until I saw the reality on Liveleak. Seeing dead children and people with their legs blown off made all the commentary on CNN and Fox seem so understated. A lot is said about desensitization as…

I personally believe gore videos involving children need to be banned, just like child pornography is.

I also feel gore videos that involve non-consenting adults should be judged as "revenge porn."

I understand there should be some leeway for journalists reporting the news and shedding light on atrocites. I'm just not sure where that line should be.

Re: LiveLeak shuts down after 15 years online

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I happen to think a lot of the pandemic denial and downplaying had to do with the media's refusal (for valid privacy reasons) to show what was actually going on in ICUs everywhere. The lack of graphic coverage kept the pandemic's worst effects out of sight, out of mind for a lot of people, allowing them to focus on and rage against the less important side-issues like how awful masks are and how upset it made them to…

I agree with this. Unfortunately, I got covid right out of the gate and should have been in the hospital.

Then I lost some people, one of whom was worth a lot, and despite that still spent 40 some days on a ventilator, basically in hell, only to die pretty terribly.

While all this was going on, I am surrounded by people who think it is all fake, nobody is dying, etc...

I would tell about what I saw, felt and they would just ignore me, or ask me why more of that is not on the TV.

Re: LiveLeak shuts down after 15 years online

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There are a few places in the world with little violence you are lucky to be in that place that you don't have to worry too much about your life everyday.

Compared to what? There are very few places in the world with the kind of violence that has been commonplace for most of world history. Yes, violent things happen everywhere, but most people in most places don't have to worry for their physical safety most of the time. That's a relatively new phenomenon.

The thing is that people living in these places that are unprecedentedly peaceful, in the way that HN likes to trot out whenever someone points out the ugliness of the world, may end up voting apathetically for leaders that have their war machine making the world far less peaceful in places that are out of sight and out of mind.

Sites like Liveleak may remind you that war isn't the choreography that your governments want you to think it is.

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