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Re: LiveLeak shuts down after 15 years online

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The world is a scary and violent place. Without Liveleak, you might never feel it. Until you see the actual violence and gore, it doesn't mean anything, it's just empty words. I didn't care at all about wars in the middle east until I saw the reality on Liveleak. Seeing dead children and people with their legs blown off made all the commentary on CNN and Fox seem so understated. A lot is said about desensitization as…

Same for me!

I remember the precursor to Liveleak, Ogrish, which was much more graphic than whatever Liveleak became in Liveleak's last final years.

It was back in 2004 or so when I had to reconstruct a somewhat censored link on their forum, which took me an FTP server directory with videos, that I waited to download, which showed me Al Queda celebratory videos of killing US soldiers.

That was a first for me, I'd never seen footage of US not winning, let alone a side that considered it a good thing. Really just broadened my horizon.

Was uncomfortable at first because I felt there might have been a reason with personal legal liability that the footage wasn't available in other places, but much more curious.

Anyway, such footage is much easier to come across now, with beheadings and such just occurring. Any Facebook feed assumes you want to see an extrajudicial killing involving a US police officer.

But at the time I was amazed such content exists. Not appalled. I can't really relate to people that say they can't watch that kind of stuff and will just take someone's word for it. I get appalled by things out of someone's control, such as a gas leak blowing off the side of an apartment building. But there's never anything real I have any feelings from watching.

Re: LiveLeak shuts down after 15 years online

#92

Whenever something big happened in the news and I wanted to see the video or images directly, uncensored, real as they are, LiveLeak was The Place To Go. Outside the Big Tech bubble. Not sure what alternatives there are, if any.

Well for police shootings at least, PoliceActivity on youtube is the place to go for uncensored, no-commentary bodycam video.

Re: LiveLeak shuts down after 15 years online

#93

The world is a scary and violent place. Without Liveleak, you might never feel it. Until you see the actual violence and gore, it doesn't mean anything, it's just empty words. I didn't care at all about wars in the middle east until I saw the reality on Liveleak. Seeing dead children and people with their legs blown off made all the commentary on CNN and Fox seem so understated. A lot is said about desensitization as…

War and terrorism was definitely made “more real” on LiveLeak than what you’d experience via the media or YouTube. I also found a real appreciation for other things: driving safely, worker protections, fire safety. These “boring” things take on more importance when you can see what happens when you ignore them. I don't think people should dwell on these morbid things. But seeing just one or two videos of, for example…

Especially fire safety seems like something people don't realize. Sure, the rules can seem overly strict and sometimes even nonsensical on the first glance, but it's insane how fast the situation can go from "smale flame" to "house on fire". Seeing the worst case play out is really eye-opening.

Re: LiveLeak shuts down after 15 years online

#94
The Internet just got less weird and more and more it feels like the days of it being "sketchy" to the average user are mostly over. On the other hand, social media can be insidious and in some ways it's made society weird as ever in a worse direction. Then again there's a lot less creeps, criminals, and deranged or at least their presence isn't as strong or obvious on here. I guess that is about as I feel about this, and I think it's been a couple of years since I've watched something there. I'll bet there will be an alternative for those who really seek this stuff out, though, adjacent to what remains of the pirates.

Re: LiveLeak shuts down after 15 years online

#95

LiveLeak team moved to develop ItemFix - https://www.itemfix.com/ kinda interesting, almost like they are trying to create meme videos. Currently, I don't think it's very good, but generally could become a thing I supposed.

Itemfix is such a bad name. It sounds like it was generated by AI or a domain generator

It's definitely not suitable for the content it currently hosts, but would be a perfect name for a site containing service manuals and such. Even the logo is suggestive of that. My first thought upon seeing that domain was whether it could be related to https://www.ifixit.com/

Re: LiveLeak shuts down after 15 years online

#96

Four LiveLeak videos will always stay in my head. WARNING: even in text this stuff is horrifying. Stop reading if you don’t want to have nightmares. 1) an ISIS video where a 7 year old kid or so goes through a building where a bunch of hostages are tied up. He shoots them dead in succession. He looks like he’s about to cry throughout the whole video — but he doesn’t. 2) a completely covered up woman(?) in Iran is exe…

read your depicts and

> I think the world has lost a valuable resource.

nothing of the value has been lost. You don't need to see this to understand that horrible things happen in the world.

Re: LiveLeak shuts down after 15 years online

#97
Another independent, not US-American, bastion of the free internet is gone. Big tech is more and more monopolistic and more and more censored, as technology follows the imperialist idiosyncrasies of US American political debate.

Re: LiveLeak shuts down after 15 years online

#98

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Wow, yeah. Reddit killed the forum. Google and silo'd social media (FB, TikTom) are eating everything else. I just realized that I barely recognize the modern net vs. the one I grew up with.

The only thing Reddit is killing right now is Reddit itself, with their odd UX redesign decisions. Also, Reddit went from being a place with a lot of room for freedom of speech to a place that disallow a lot of discussions on different opinions and wedge issues. Even Twitter is now more open to diversity of opinions.

No, the 1-2 punch of Reddit and Discord have all but decimated the old vBulletin forum days. If you have a niche interest, Reddit and Discord are pretty much the only place to find a community for it. It's very dominant in that space now.

I'm pretty much forced to use Reddit or else disconnect from communities I'm interested in.

Re: LiveLeak shuts down after 15 years online

#99

Mixed feelings from me. I remember the Hussein video. I never believed in the vision, but they hosted important events I simply could not see from other sites. Reddit users rely on it and I knew what I was getting into if I clicked on a LiveLeak link. Separately, being a content moderator for LL must be absolute hell. While you must filter for illegal things, you're actually expected to watch through the death and go…

Is there any study or papers on people who actively go through such content? What changes about them after?

I'm not aware of any studies, but there are several articles on the content moderators. Some effects mentioned were: - people develop severe anxiety while still in training, and continue to struggle with trauma symptoms long after they leave - conspiracy videos and memes that they see each day gradually lead them to embrace fringe views - Fired employees regularly threatened to return to work and harm their old colleagues - they coped with the stress of the job with sex, drugs, and offensive jokes, all in the workplace - self-harm were also common - turned people intensely paranoid

https://www.theverge.com/2019/2/25/18229714/cognizant-facebo...

https://www.wired.com/2014/10/content-moderation/

Re: LiveLeak shuts down after 15 years online

#100

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Itemfix is such a bad name. It sounds like it was generated by AI or a domain generator

It's definitely not suitable for the content it currently hosts, but would be a perfect name for a site containing service manuals and such. Even the logo is suggestive of that. My first thought upon seeing that domain was whether it could be related to https://www.ifixit.com/

Yeah but even for that it's not a great name. "Item" is just so generic I wouldn't want it to be the main focus of my brand name
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