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I wonder how complicated implementing the phone part really is. Personally I would be happy with a device that
1) Has a web browser
2) Has a podcast app
3) Can connect to WiFi
The rest could be added later, but those are the essentials for me.
I spent years working on the Ubuntu phone. It was a fully convergent device: by default it would present a phone UI, but plugin an a keyboard and screen and it presents a full desktop UI. The UI was designed by a team of brilliant professional designers and it was a technical success. Why isn't it around any more? (1) The carriers. Many people get a free or heavily subsidized phone from their carrier, who makes money…
I hope they do. I crave a high speed pocket web browser that truly belongs to me. I hate Apple so much for the abusive relationship they have trapped me in. Their phones are amazing but it’s morally corrupt not having access to the source code. We consumers, collectively, have a right to know what these things are doing. I’m addicted to my phone and it contains my whole life. I believe that in the future we will look…
What other devices in your life do you feel this way about (car, home appliances, television, …)? Or are those in a different category because they aren’t managing your data?
I don't understand the desire for a Linux phone as so described in the article as a daily driver. The Android platform represents an enormous amount of work that encompasses a more secure base kernel, an unparalleled selection of applications designed for mobile usage and written in a memory-safe language, fantastic sandboxing and user privacy features leagues ahead of any desktop operating system, and great diversit…
You haven't experienced the Nokia N900, have you?
If anyone could have made it happen it was Nokia.
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Wow. So normally we say: Linux is the kernel and GNU is the userland. (Remember GNU/Hurd?) So, what is Android? Does Linux run the Android userspace, or does Android run the Linux kernel...
> Linux is the kernel and GNU is the userland No, “GNU” is the operating system project, which includes the userland components, the kernel, and everything else. Just like “Windows” is not ntkrnl.dll, nor is “Windows” the sum of explorer.exe, cmd.exe, etc. – “Windows” is the overarching project name. “GNU” is the same. People who think of “GNU” as userland components likely are influenced by the accident of 1990’s hi…
The kernel is Linux and the most important userland parts are from GNU. Therefore they are really GNU/Linux distributions.
The GNU project has more to offer than coreutils, like Hurd.
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Funny. :) I've learned much more using pinephone than I ever did using Androids or iPhones I had been lent for testing from a companies I did jobs for. Here's what I've learned for example: https://xnux.eu/devices/pine64-pinephone.html I just don't want to learn something that will be completely useless to me, because I'm not interested in commercial mobile apps development for Android, and that's about anything that…
How come you're the guy who said: "To me GNU/Linux is the simpler more familiar ecosystem. Android is big and complicated, with different tooling, different APIs, different everything." And now also says: "If anything it's people who will not consider anything else but Android, and just handwavily reject anything else like many posters in the comments under this article, who seem resistant to learning something new."…
I think you forgot a bit about the original question in this thread.
I just tried to answer the question of what Linux phone does for some consumers.
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Yes, it's it is. PM is normal part of Linux since at least a decade ago, probably longer. Pinephone now has standby of around 7 days, and runtime power management is also quite good, with automatic powering off of CPU cores, when idle, and downclocking of memory controller in my 5.12 kernel branch, that many pinephone distros will migrate to soon.
Are these changes being mainlined anytime soon? BTW, a Pinephone running WebOS is very tempting. WebOS was so much ahead of its time it’s still ahead of ours.
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IE could stagnate since they bundled it with their OS, meaning people on an old OS used the old IE meaning IE6 lived on for over a decade. Chrome is dominant since people download it and people receive free updates, so the situation isn't comparable there either. The situation when every webdev was forced to support IE6 would be like if developers today had to support Chrome from 2011.
Chrome is bundled with Android (billions of devices) and when you install a lot of software on Windows like antivirus they bundle Chrome unless you opt-out. Not the same but pretty close.
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No? You can't fork Windows.
"Just use existing Windows kernel and drivers, there are a lot of Open Source applications" etc etc. There is nothing special about Linux distribution, same could be done on top of NT kernel. But it is not. React OS reimplements kernel and userspace, in theory userspace could be used on top of Windows. There are a lot of Windows users yet no such thing. Somehow Linux experience is much richer and safe. Xmonad and pac…
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We have GNOME 40 now which is beautiful. I can imagine it would be beautiful on mobile pretty soon as well.
I hope you are joking. I have Fedora 34 with Gnome 40 right now on my gaming PC as a second system and I can barely find two windows (not even apps, just two windows) that can be defined as "nicely done". Everything else is terrible. Even worse once you start looking for apps on he net. Everything that is not Electron-base is simply ugly, constructed without any thought about UX.