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Will Linux phones stay around this time?
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Re: Will Linux phones stay around this time?
#442Earlier quoted context omitted.
This thread is in response to why we need a Linux OS, which is because they are all bad.
Android is infinitely better than anything you can come up with Linux OS on mobile. It is much easier to "fix" Android's "issues".
> than anything you can come up with Linux OS on mobile
I don't understand how you can generalize this far. Using a full desktop OS on mobile with all desktop apps is undoubtedly better.
Re: Will Linux phones stay around this time?
#443Earlier quoted context omitted.
That's not the whole story. IE was innovative (albeit through embrace and extend) until they won and stagnated.
IE could stagnate since they bundled it with their OS, meaning people on an old OS used the old IE meaning IE6 lived on for over a decade. Chrome is dominant since people download it and people receive free updates, so the situation isn't comparable there either. The situation when every webdev was forced to support IE6 would be like if developers today had to support Chrome from 2011.
Chrome is bundled with Android (billions of devices) and when you install a lot of software on Windows like antivirus they bundle Chrome unless you opt-out.
Not the same but pretty close.
Re: Will Linux phones stay around this time?
#444Earlier quoted context omitted.
Who cares if its marketshare is above some arbitrary number so long as there's enough interest to keep development going? It doesn't matter to me what other people are using, I find Linux desktops to be the most comfortable thing for me, so I use them! If other people are satisfied with Windows and everything that goes along with it (forced auto-updates, ads, etc) - fine! You do you. I'm happy with what I have though…
I haven't touched windows as a software developer since around 2008, so I don't know what's going on in there really. So long as I can launch games in my steam lib I'm fine. My main working OS was Ubuntu (~2006-2010) and Arch(20010-2013). Then I got tired of my Android phone and switched to iPhone and mac book. (if that matters somehow) As for you question - you were saying, quote: >this is as untrue as "Year $YEAR w…
> And the general situation is that Linux is almost nonexistent on desktop.
It is not the same as "Linux desktop is nowhere"
2% in total population is tiny but not "nowhere".
And in some populations (like programmers) use is much higher, 25% according to SO survey.
See https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Usage_share_of_operating_syste...
Re: Will Linux phones stay around this time?
#445Earlier quoted context omitted.
> Many people get a free or heavily subsidized phone from their carrier Is this really the case anymore? Why would you buy a phone from a third party like that? Most people I know buy their phone direct from Apple or an Android device from Amazon retail.
Most people you know are wealthy then.
You can buy a nice unlocked octo-core on Amazon for like $70.
Re: Will Linux phones stay around this time?
#446Earlier quoted context omitted.
$500? Top of the line devices in the last few years have crept above $1,000 USD. Not trying to nitpick but the difference there is a sizable chunk of the average person’s annual income.
Nobody over the age of ~20 I know in low income brackets even think about buying a flagship phone. It’s barely on their radar.
Chiming in as a low-income person, yes these Flagship phones have been off of our radar for a very very long time. If I wanted to, I could go into Walmart and buy a perfectly capable locked simple mobile phone for $20 or maybe a bit more than that. There is no possible way that I consider spending multiple weeks worth of paycheck on something that could be broken or stolen easily. If I was going to treat myself to a nicer phone there are tons of great options for me to choose in the 100 or $200 range.
Re: Will Linux phones stay around this time?
#447Earlier quoted context omitted.
> The Android platform represents an enormous amount of work that encompasses a more secure base kernel, an unparalleled selection of applications designed for mobile usage and written in a memory-safe language, fantastic sandboxing and user privacy features leagues ahead of any desktop operating system, and great diversity in the hardware market. but it's so freaking slow. I own a oneplus 8 pro and compared to my ol…
There's either something really wrong with your OnePlus or your eyes, if it is slow.
He compared it to a Jolla phone, which I assume runs Sailfish. If you're comparing Android to Android, you are missing the point. Slowness is from the software here.
Re: Will Linux phones stay around this time?
#448A Linux smartphone is like a Linux car. If Linux is the important part to you, your priorities might be a bit off
Why would it have to be someone's "most important priority"? That's such needlessly superlative phrasing. I would choose a Linux phone because I want a platform that's not controlled by a single profit-drive company which is so huge they are essentially unaccountable for any harm they do to their users, developers, or even society at large. It's not the "most important priority" in my life or anything, it's just some…
It sure is needlessly superlative phrasing, @esperent. And in fact if you look closely you'll see that that phrasing was not actually used in the comment you replied to. I know it can be hard to see down to everyone else's level from on top of your high horse though.
Re: Will Linux phones stay around this time?
#449Earlier quoted context omitted.
> I'd be shocked if it took off. Its not about taking off - it's about having an alternative that is available even if it's just for 0.01% of users.
> just for 0.01% of users Who will develop it, why and most importantly what will it provide compared to alternatives?
Both big Linux Desktops(KDE/GNOME) do try to make the desktop UIs design work on a small screen. Phosh/phoc is mostly GNOME Design and Plasma mobile is KDE.
And that's the point of libhandy(for GTK/GNOME apps) and Kirigami(KDE) to take desktop Applications and make them work on smaller screens. So you can use the same applications on the phone and Linux desktop. And nice bonus is that optimizing the applications to have low CPU usage will have a positive effect on the linux desktop too.
In the case of postmarketOS to give that devices a second life(Hard work cause mainline linux support of most android Phones is bad).