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Re: Will Linux phones stay around this time?

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Post by sergeykish »

qayxc wrote: post #259
sergeykish wrote: post #242

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You judge from subjective view. Should we all? I do not like macOS and Windows experience. It is full of distractions. http://sergeykish.com/side-by-side-no-decorations.png

> You judge from subjective view. Should we all? I do not like macOS and Windows experience. It is full of distractions. You judge from a subjective view. There's no discoverability in the screenshot you shared. It's all subjective and a product for the mass market looks different from a product that serves a very specific niche.

Absolutely. I've mimicked subjective view of parent comment. I trade discoverability for immersion and space. Apple is famous of its discoverability issues.

Nowhere article stated it's going to be year of Linux userland on the smartphone. It states hope for existence of a niche.

Re: Will Linux phones stay around this time?

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Post by megous »

akiselev wrote: post #25
rbanffy wrote: post #2

Am I missing something? Every Android phone is running Linux.

The core parts of Android that make it usable on mobile devices like power management and scheduling [1] aren't in the mainline Linux kernel last I checked. This is about getting Linux to the point where you can choose between an Arch, Ubuntu, debian, etc. distro for your phone. [1] https://lwn.net/Articles/706374/

Yes, it's it is. PM is normal part of Linux since at least a decade ago, probably longer. Pinephone now has standby of around 7 days, and runtime power management is also quite good, with automatic powering off of CPU cores, when idle, and downclocking of memory controller in my 5.12 kernel branch, that many pinephone distros will migrate to soon.

Re: Will Linux phones stay around this time?

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Post by megous »

Who cares? Just keep trying. :)

If you have Linux desktop, having a GNU/Linux phone is nice too. Not having to search for apps for every stupid little thing on some cesspool of an appstore would be great too, if you can just write a little script or whatever to scratch your itch, and be able to trust it wholly.

Re: Will Linux phones stay around this time?

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Post by Andrew_nenakhov »

zibzab wrote: post #187
Andrew_nenakhov wrote: post #155

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By the way, my colleague has some crappy Huawei phone, which previously killed background apps [1], but this week received an update that changed the behaviour to simply disabling them from accessing the internet. [1]: https://dontkillmyapp.com

This is a simple but wonderful idea! Hope more vendors follow. Google changing permission model to allow any app internet access was the stupidest decision made by a company in this millennium

It is an idiotic idea because it makes my xmpp client unusable. It should be up to a user to decide what should work on a device and how, not forcing some undocumented behaviour upon a user 'for his own good'

Re: Will Linux phones stay around this time?

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Post by vbezhenar »

AussieWog93 wrote: post #139

I'd be shocked if it took off. The FOSS development paradigm seems to be allergic to good UI design, and this is far more important for people on mobile than desktop.

I think that Linux UI is good. I’m using Windows because I need iCloud, otherwise Linux is better.

Re: Will Linux phones stay around this time?

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Post by dudeman13 »

EvilEy3 wrote: post #253
swiley wrote: post #229

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Two things: 1) The GNU utilities have pretty good CLI UI design and there are plenty of us who are perfectly happy with just that and a decent WM like FVWM even on a phone 2) It's not like closed mobile stuff has a great UI either. My favorite example is Apple's camera app. Did you know you can do manual focus with it? It's absolutely impossible to discover but I think it involves a "reverse three finger pinch." I've…

> plenty of us Which is a soooo tiny minority that it won't even show up on charts. > It's absolutely impossible to discover but I think it involves a "reverse three finger pinch." That's a shitty UX, not UI.

Can't have bad UI if there is no visible UI taps head

Re: Will Linux phones stay around this time?

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Post by ryukafalz »

f6v wrote: post #169
vincnetas wrote: post #130

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Interesting situation here. Whats the name for oposite chicken-egg problem. You mention that linux phones do not support banking apps and google even being antonym for privacy, has still increasing user base. But we are in situation where you must use google to be able to use banking apps. Vicious cycle? For banking aps to work you must install them from play store. To be able to use play store you must agree with go…

> If google dicides your evil, you will not be able to use banking app anymore :( It's like driving a car: there's a tiny probability to get killed, but everyone is driving nonetheless.

The difference is that when driving a car, the risk is from the fallibility of yourself and your fellow drivers, not from a single giant megacorp that can decide to reach down and mess with you.

(But by the way, we shouldn't accept car fatalities as inevitable either! They're far more likely still than they should be. Street design and infrastructure priorities can slow traffic down and encourage people to use safer forms of transportation when feasible. Just look at the Netherlands.)

Re: Will Linux phones stay around this time?

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Post by gspr »

AussieWog93 wrote: post #139

I'd be shocked if it took off. The FOSS development paradigm seems to be allergic to good UI design, and this is far more important for people on mobile than desktop.

> The FOSS development paradigm seems to be allergic to good UI design

I'm having a hard time understanding what it is about the development paradigm that's allergic to good UI design. In good faith I'll assume you meant that "FOSS projects seem to lack good UI design". This I'll agree with, if we're talking about GUI design (others have pointed out that the CLI interfaces are usually great). I really don't think the lacking GUI design is necessarily inherent in FOSS, but I too wonder why more people with design skills aren't attracted to working on FOSS stuff.

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