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Request for comments regarding topics to be discussed at Dark Patterns workshop

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Re: Request for comments regarding topics to be discussed at Dark Patterns workshop

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Post by darksaints »

the_snooze wrote: post #28
fpig wrote: post #17

The worst one is probably trying to make it hard for users to stop paying for a service, like cancelling a subscription. That shit should be punishable by literal prison time.

> literal prison time Yup https://twitter.com/javan/status/1357800714018443270

Just watched that video, and I don't know what canary is, but I can guarantee you I will never use it. Fuck that.

Re: Request for comments regarding topics to be discussed at Dark Patterns workshop

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Post by wyre »

dqv wrote: post #21

Great I'm going to submit one about how the Apple iOS store forces you to get rid of your old devices and buy new ones. They make it extremely inconvenient to find out which apps are supported on your device. They don't hide the apps that aren't, so you are forced to download the app and wait to check to see if it's compatible or not.

You aren’t being forced to do anything. Apple already supports their devices much longer than the industry standard. If you don’t like Apple stop using their products.

Re: Request for comments regarding topics to be discussed at Dark Patterns workshop

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Post by rossmohax »

When creating a member account within AWS Organization it asks for root account email, this address is never validated before account is created. If you made a typo in that email and it happen to be on a valid domain you have no access to, then it is impossible to close that account and support is refusing to do anyhing, even if you contact them immediately.

Re: Request for comments regarding topics to be discussed at Dark Patterns workshop

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Post by calrueb »

Push notifications and their subtle ability to form usage habits (see notification -> open app -> browse feed) is a "Dark Pattern" that is used all across the consumer app industry. You can tell how focused a company is on growth and engagement by how many notifications you get a day (Clubhouse for instance slammed me with notifications until I shut them off).

Re: Request for comments regarding topics to be discussed at Dark Patterns workshop

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Post by Hnrobert42 »

dqv wrote: post #21

Great I'm going to submit one about how the Apple iOS store forces you to get rid of your old devices and buy new ones. They make it extremely inconvenient to find out which apps are supported on your device. They don't hide the apps that aren't, so you are forced to download the app and wait to check to see if it's compatible or not.

I don’t think that is a dark pattern.

Re: Request for comments regarding topics to be discussed at Dark Patterns workshop

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Post by akomtu »

Most of those dark patterns revolve around stealing personal data to sell it to data brokers, sometimes accompanied by extortion to give more of that data. If a big international corp made money by stealing bicycles or cars, its execs would quickly end up in prison, but this is what's happening right now in the internet. If our politicians had balls and moral, they would make it a crime to steal PII, unless the firm has a contract with the customer signed by ink, not transferrable, expiring in a year at most, with gov entities exempt. Unfortunately, PII theft has become the backbone of the modern economy.

Re: Request for comments regarding topics to be discussed at Dark Patterns workshop

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Post by ls65536 »

fpig wrote: post #17

The worst one is probably trying to make it hard for users to stop paying for a service, like cancelling a subscription. That shit should be punishable by literal prison time.

As a general rule, it ought to be no more difficult or time-consuming to cancel a service than it was to sign up for it in the first place.
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