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Request for comments regarding topics to be discussed at Dark Patterns workshop

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Re: Request for comments regarding topics to be discussed at Dark Patterns workshop

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Post by fpig »

dclusin wrote: post #9
fpig wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What is good about web sites trying to force users to use their app instead? That itself one of the worst dark patterns out there. Edit: If my comment looks confusing, the comment I replied to has been edited. "compelling first class experience" is really a more vague term for "web sites being able to push their app on users"

While I agree this is a regrettable practice, the social media sites in question do the same thing too. The argument that Facebook is acting in users best interest by preventing websites from spamming users to use an app is incredibly self serving and not really all that believable. I too wish it would go away, but both sites not having equal access the users in a similar way is anti competitive imo. Especially for b…

I agree that this practice should go away - if you believe that, then the goal should be to eliminate this shady practice entirely, not try to make it more prevalent like you were suggesting before editing your comment.

Re: Request for comments regarding topics to be discussed at Dark Patterns workshop

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Post by burnished »

cj wrote: post #4
salawat wrote: post #3

Yessssss! It's about damn time. Time to sit down, do some research, and write up some papers!

I’m assuming this is sarcasm? What do you propose be done instead of doing research and writing papers?

Why would this be sarcasm? Wouldn't a well researched paper be the ideal public comment? I don't understand how the top comment here is so unpopular.

Re: Request for comments regarding topics to be discussed at Dark Patterns workshop

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Post by iankp »

TrustArc is a company used by major brands that utilizes dark patterns to FAKE opt-out time for GDRP compliance. Major companies employ lies. It will hold your browser captive for 2 minutes in hopes that you cancel or accept all. If you don't, it shows "We are processing the requested change to your cookie preferences. This may take up to a few minutes to process.". Not even incompetence could make this an honest process.

Re: Request for comments regarding topics to be discussed at Dark Patterns workshop

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Post by anonymousab »

thrill wrote: post #10
chiefofgxbxl wrote: post #8

Windows 10 does not respect the "default browser" setting when opening web-based content through apps. For example, clicking on "Help" links or search results from the start menu always opens in Edge. This seems far worse than their IE-bundling issue back in the day... at least users have a few web browsers to choose from, but what good is that when user preference is overridden?

If Microsoft could ensure that the target browser would properly show the help documentation, then the complaint would hold more weight.

If there's documentation that renders correctly in modern edge but is unusable in Chrome(ium) or Firefox then that would be useful to see.

It's a valid concern but I'm fairly certain it's nowhere near the top reasons that they do this. They have a history of trying to shove users into Microsoft's unwanted browser against their (often informed) wishes.

Re: Request for comments regarding topics to be discussed at Dark Patterns workshop

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Post by airstrike »

mimsee wrote: post #11

Ecommerce sites showing a "27 people are watching this right now" alongside the product but from source code it turns out to be a Math.random()

As disingenuous as this may be, I feel it's probably not one of the most harmful examples
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