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Piano teacher gets copyright claim for Beethoven’s Moonlight Sonata [video]

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Re: Piano teacher gets copyright claim for Beethoven’s Moonlight Sonata [video]

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Post by tzs »

sofixa wrote: post #96
LudwigNagasena wrote: post #77

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't think the laws are so harsh. It seems like YouTube caved in to the music industry interests so that popular artists continue to premiere their videos on YouTube.

And otherwise they'd get sued for hosting copyrighted content, which will result in hefty fines and jail( didn't the US want to get Kim Dotcom from NZ precisely for that?)

Dotcom got in trouble because he was intentionally hosting infringing content, going so far as to try to hide that material from the copyright owners by making it look like he had taken it down when notified of its presence when in fact he just made the URL that the owners knew about stop working. Employees that went too far and actually took down infringing material got reprimanded.

Go dig up a copy of the indictment. It includes a bunch of internal emails from Dotcom and other running his site where they talk about all this stuff. It was basically a site whose intent and business model was hosting pirated movies. That you could also use it to host your own photos or whatever was there to try to provide cover.

Re: Piano teacher gets copyright claim for Beethoven’s Moonlight Sonata [video]

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Post by slothtrop »

qwertox wrote: post #46
jeffwass wrote: post #10

Summary for those that don’t want to watch the video : - Pianist creates YouTube video demonstrating how to play Beethoven’s Moonlight Sonata - part of this video includes her playing Moonlight Sonata (of course) - YouTube has a new ‘feature’ that scans submitted videos prior to publication to identify potentially copyrighted material - her video is found to include copyrighted material. She is certain this is a mist…

1) Feed a computer with MIDI files of public domain music and render it as audio 2) Upload to YouTube 3) File copyright dispute to YouTube for any (future?) uploaded video which contains the music which used to be in the public domain 4) Have Google reject the videos 5) Create a site or an app which allows you to license that public domain music for a fee. 6) Notify YouTube who has licensed this public domain music.…

Honestly, the only way things will change is through grass roots abuse of the system like this. You have to force them to change.

Re: Piano teacher gets copyright claim for Beethoven’s Moonlight Sonata [video]

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Post by sofixa »

tzs wrote: post #181
sofixa wrote: post #96

Earlier quoted context omitted.

And otherwise they'd get sued for hosting copyrighted content, which will result in hefty fines and jail( didn't the US want to get Kim Dotcom from NZ precisely for that?)

Dotcom got in trouble because he was intentionally hosting infringing content, going so far as to try to hide that material from the copyright owners by making it look like he had taken it down when notified of its presence when in fact he just made the URL that the owners knew about stop working. Employees that went too far and actually took down infringing material got reprimanded. Go dig up a copy of the indictmen…

Does the extent matter that much? Assuming YouTube did nothing to take down copyrighted content, is that better or worse compared to lying about taking down ?

Re: Piano teacher gets copyright claim for Beethoven’s Moonlight Sonata [video]

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Post by banbanbang »

eru wrote: post #137
bitcharmer wrote: post #2

She actually decided to quit YouTube after this completely unfair treatment. I think it's high time these platforms saw some regulation. It's ridiculous what they are allowed to get away with.

You know that Google's behaviour here is a reaction to regulation? It's tempting to answer failures in regulation with cries for more regulation..

It’s a good point but regulators (ie politicians) are nowhere near up to the tasks. They often leave the legislative details to industry “experts” often tied to big corporations. I frankly think our government is broken and outdated to accommodate the complexities and speed of modern society. It also doesn’t help that politicians refuse to retire and hold onto their seats often until death.

Re: Piano teacher gets copyright claim for Beethoven’s Moonlight Sonata [video]

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Post by ksherlock »

eru wrote: post #125
spuz wrote: post #54

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Covers of songs, even if the covers use completely new styles are protected by copyright law and therefore can risk being claimed by YouTube's system: https://www.legalzoom.com/articles/posting-cover-songs-on-yo...

I guess you need to make it a parody to be in the clear?

Not necessarily.... The Posterchild for parody is 2 Live Crew Pretty Woman. Which includes samples of the original Oh, Pretty Woman. Youtube videos get flagged for 10 seconds of a song snippet all the time.

After the Campbell v Acuff-Rose Supreme Court decision, 2 Live Crew licensed the song from Acuff-Rose music. (which is what they tried to do in the first place).

Re: Piano teacher gets copyright claim for Beethoven’s Moonlight Sonata [video]

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Post by falcolas »

leephillips wrote: post #172
falcolas wrote: post #167

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> install Apache > video embed tags > ffmpeg > That's it You're thinking like an engineer. To a non-technical person, that's a lot. I'd even go so far as to say it's prohibitively difficult for anyone outside of our profession. I'll even say that it's going to be difficult even for folks within our profession. Finding someone who can launch and configure Apache properly (i.e. in a way which won't get it quickly recon…

I mentioned the tradeoff involved in a later comment. The difference between a technical person and a non-technical person is that the former has decided to learn what is needed to do what he or she wants to do. It’s not a secret club. All the information is on the internet. I never went to Apache engineering school, I have been running my own sites and others for many years, and no one has taken anything over for po…

That knowledge is an entire career's worth of knowledge. Sure, almost anyone could pick it up, but it's more cost effective for them to rely on others to do it for them.

For a musician, the learning and upkeep is a lot of time that would better be spent creating; making a living.

Re: Piano teacher gets copyright claim for Beethoven’s Moonlight Sonata [video]

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Post by tzs »

qayxc wrote: post #117
opan wrote: post #56

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I think the centralization plus trusting a company is the issue, not a lack of cost meaning we aren't deserving of a good experience. Look at Peertube or other free as in freedom options.

> I think the centralization plus trusting a company is the issue, I think that's not the issue at all. The problem is simply scale. Currently, about 5000 videos are uploaded to YT every minute . If just 0.1% of them have any potential copyright issues, that's 5 potentially complex cases per minute or 7200 per day. No amount of human review will be able to decide this in a timely manner. The piano teacher's case is j…

If they followed the DMCA instead of their own system it would scale just fine.

It would scale because under the DMCA system the site is not responsible for finding violations. That is up to the copyright owners.

All the site has to do is:

1. Take down alleged infringing content when someone claiming to be the copyright owner files a take-down notice.

2. Put the content back when whoever uploaded it files a counter-notice.

3. Tell the former that if they want the content taken down again, sue the latter. The site is now in the DMCA safe harbor.

All the site has to scale up to handle is dealing with notices and counter-notices. For that, all they need to do is check that all the required fields in the forms are filled out. This does not require anyone with any legal training--it is just checking things like they have identified themselves, described what content they want taken down/put back up, stated a reason for their belief that this action should be taken, and similar things.

You could train in an afternoon anyone who can read at a pre-high school level to handle this. 20 people in a normal shift could handle those 7200 cases per day.

Heck, you could even speed that up if you wanted by doing even less review on the notices. There aren't really any legal consequences to the site if they accept a notice that wasn't quite right. It is only the counter-notice that needs a little scrutiny. You want to make sure everything is correctly filled out in that, because it is the counter-notice that gives you the safe harbor.

Re: Piano teacher gets copyright claim for Beethoven’s Moonlight Sonata [video]

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Post by SAI_Peregrinus »

eru wrote: post #125
spuz wrote: post #54

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Covers of songs, even if the covers use completely new styles are protected by copyright law and therefore can risk being claimed by YouTube's system: https://www.legalzoom.com/articles/posting-cover-songs-on-yo...

I guess you need to make it a parody to be in the clear?

Parody is a fair use defense, so you have to go through a lawsuit to be able to assert it.

Re: Piano teacher gets copyright claim for Beethoven’s Moonlight Sonata [video]

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Post by banbanbang »

If you look at Google’s (Alphabet’s) margins you will know why. We are allowing these monopoly tech companies to extract value without bare min investments. Google is one of the biggest violators. I think all SV companies are at fault to some degree. Some still operate with “startup” budget for support. I know Paypal does this for example. There’s gotta be a wake up moment where if you are going to be in the consumer facing business you have to invest in minimal support infrastructure or face fines.
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