I used to have a bunch of time lapses on YouTube- my office for a few years was above the ferry docks in Seattle. I chose music from the YouTube collection of free music for background music. I have copyright claims on all of them now; I’ve taken almost all of them down. https://youtu.be/TgzqOvTvWzw As an example
Piano teacher gets copyright claim for Beethoven’s Moonlight Sonata [video]
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#52My daughter plays guitar and violin and this is a very common issue. Moreover Youtube automatically labels some original performances as if they use third-party soundtrack. Both annoying and flattering.
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#53This is really bad! YouTube should find ways to respond to misclaimed tracks as a creator. Also companies / individuals that claim public domain music should be banned from the platform.
you're fundamentally misunderstanding the purpose of the copyright claim system: it doesn't exist to determine the legitimate owner of a work, it exists to keep youtube from being sued . Since there is no legal penalty for a "false positive", even if the creator can prove that it's a false positive, while there is a penalty for a false negative, the system will always lean to aggressive removal and demonetization, be…
> Since there is no legal penalty for a "false positive",
I’m really confused by that part: YouTube lawyers must know that there’s a significant risk they’ll piss of a someone like a law professor and that they’ll use all their faculty to go after what is essentially fraud: there are provisions in the CDMA precisely for that, and the platform is liable for indulging those in systematic cases. Even if it’s not, they are risking a change in law.
Compared that PR nightmare to having an engineer spend a few days to hack a “public domain” user that automatically accepts re-use, or re-train to distinguish interpretations from copies… I feel like I’m missing something — and I’m not missing a cynical take on how Google is too big to care.
God knows that I’ve been arguing that some problems are harder than one expects, but public domain sheet music isn’t a hard one for YouTube.
Re: Piano teacher gets copyright claim for Beethoven’s Moonlight Sonata [video]
#54Summary for those that don’t want to watch the video : - Pianist creates YouTube video demonstrating how to play Beethoven’s Moonlight Sonata - part of this video includes her playing Moonlight Sonata (of course) - YouTube has a new ‘feature’ that scans submitted videos prior to publication to identify potentially copyrighted material - her video is found to include copyrighted material. She is certain this is a mist…
I sympathise with her. I had a copyright claim on one of my YouTube videos (I’m totally small potatoes, handful of vids with dozens of views). I made a video of myself playing my own unique interpretation of The Safety Dance by Men Without Hats on piano. https://youtu.be/ZNfMZ6g9YWo I got a copyright violation notice shortly after posting it, by some random Latin American music company. It wasn’t clear if it was legi…
Covers of songs, even if the covers use completely new styles are protected by copyright law and therefore can risk being claimed by YouTube's system:
https://www.legalzoom.com/articles/posting-cover-songs-on-yo...
Re: Piano teacher gets copyright claim for Beethoven’s Moonlight Sonata [video]
#55Summary for those that don’t want to watch the video : - Pianist creates YouTube video demonstrating how to play Beethoven’s Moonlight Sonata - part of this video includes her playing Moonlight Sonata (of course) - YouTube has a new ‘feature’ that scans submitted videos prior to publication to identify potentially copyrighted material - her video is found to include copyrighted material. She is certain this is a mist…
Upload videos to her own website. Problem solved.
The reasons why ppl go to YT are monetization and visibility.
Re: Piano teacher gets copyright claim for Beethoven’s Moonlight Sonata [video]
#56Summary for those that don’t want to watch the video : - Pianist creates YouTube video demonstrating how to play Beethoven’s Moonlight Sonata - part of this video includes her playing Moonlight Sonata (of course) - YouTube has a new ‘feature’ that scans submitted videos prior to publication to identify potentially copyrighted material - her video is found to include copyrighted material. She is certain this is a mist…
This exact thing has happened to most YT creators at this point. It's just part of doing business on YT. Some small section (<10%?) get three "copyright" strikes (nothing to do with actual copyright, of course, as Google isn't the judge of that), and get taken down, and need to start a new channel from scratch. It's what we all get for using a free video streaming service to distribute our content.
I think the centralization plus trusting a company is the issue, not a lack of cost meaning we aren't deserving of a good experience.
Look at Peertube or other free as in freedom options.
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#57I can't understand why Youtube has no procedure to flag companies as "Wicca Moonlight” like scammer / troll so, after a certain number of infractions like that one ( pretending to be the rightful owner of the rights on BEETHOVEN music !), they are sanctioned in some way or banned. That to add some symmetry to the procedure to fight trolls trying to steal other peoples hard job.
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#58This is fraud. They claim they have right to something they don't, when you dispute, YouTube just directing them the dispute and they reject. As you don't want to risk 3 strike, you agree to share revenue. Basically Youtube doing nothing.
At least DMCA has a perjury clause. It seems like there is no punishment for spamming frivolous takedown notices on YT.
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#59Earlier quoted context omitted.
Upload videos to her own website. Problem solved.
The reasons why ppl go to YT are monetization and visibility.
Yes, I get it and my comment was intended tongue-in-cheek. But still... not everyone goes to YT for monetization in which case I really think it's just better not to use it. I'm probably too old but I remember a time when we had plenty of visibility on the web without platforms dictating the content.
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#60Before HNers waste a lot of time debating pointlessly, here's the facts about how Youtube works:
Youtube has a 2-level copyright complaint scheme:
1) Youtube Content ID system - almost all complaints are handled by Youtube with their internal process. Essentially most musical performances are demonetized unless you're the music publisher, and occasionally for legit uploaders a copyright claim is made.
The Content ID system was very likely developed as part of the settlement agreement with labels, where Google spent about $1 billion in legal fees.
If you don't follow YT's instructions and instead protest, then you risk having your account locked. So most uploaders back off.
Fair use is not respected by YT normally, because they don't have to under their internal system.
(What's interesting is that after a famous rock song by a Youtube-famous cover artist was blocked, it was unblocked a few months later with the original view count also restored. That one was weird - very hmmm.)
2) US federal copyright legal process - rarely used for Youtube because #1.
Fair use is a defense if you file a lawsuit and win. (Using less than 10 seconds approx. for educational purposes.)
Source: I advise a famous Youtube artist on US publishing issues.