That is the reason these guys decided to Copyrighting all the melodies to avoid accidental infringement
Piano teacher gets copyright claim for Beethoven’s Moonlight Sonata [video]
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#32Being able to access real people for support should be a mandatory requirement for big corporations offering services to the public directly.
> Being able to access real people for support should be a mandatory requirement.
Being able to appeal an automated decision to a real person is a mandatory requirement under the GDPR.
https://ec.europa.eu/info/law/law-topic/data-protection/refo...
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#33Being able to access real people for support should be a mandatory requirement for big corporations offering services to the public directly.
Or in this case, maybe we should be relaxing the legal requirements that lead to YouTube trying to enforce copyright.
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#34Being able to access real people for support should be a mandatory requirement for big corporations offering services to the public directly.
In the UK you have a right to have automated decisions on e.g. loan applications reviewed by a human. Broadening a right like that would certainly be worth considering.
The GDPR has exactly this provision.
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#35Summary for those that don’t want to watch the video : - Pianist creates YouTube video demonstrating how to play Beethoven’s Moonlight Sonata - part of this video includes her playing Moonlight Sonata (of course) - YouTube has a new ‘feature’ that scans submitted videos prior to publication to identify potentially copyrighted material - her video is found to include copyrighted material. She is certain this is a mist…
I sympathise with her. I had a copyright claim on one of my YouTube videos (I’m totally small potatoes, handful of vids with dozens of views).
I made a video of myself playing my own unique interpretation of The Safety Dance by Men Without Hats on piano. https://youtu.be/ZNfMZ6g9YWo
I got a copyright violation notice shortly after posting it, by some random Latin American music company. It wasn’t clear if it was legit or not, it could have been some holding company of song rights or some failure of the AI.
I disputed the claim, saying I used no recorded material, it was entirely my own styling on the song including ragtime and stride piano influences.
Frankly I’m not even sure how copyright works on covers, particularly if style is quite different.
The company never responded in the 30 day period so the copyright claim was removed.
My channel is so small that I probably would have just removed the video. I’m not even close to the levels that are required for monetisation (1000 subscribers and 4000 cumulative view hours).
But it was a bit surprising how quickly it was claimed that I violated someone’s copyright.
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#36Youtubers have it coming. They have accepted obviously unacceptable terms of service. The problems of Youtube are very old, and people have been consistently proposing alternatives that solve these problems. Yet they willingly chose to fatten the beast in the hopes that they will get spared of its cruelty. I say good riddance!
Re: Piano teacher gets copyright claim for Beethoven’s Moonlight Sonata [video]
#37Summary for those that don’t want to watch the video : - Pianist creates YouTube video demonstrating how to play Beethoven’s Moonlight Sonata - part of this video includes her playing Moonlight Sonata (of course) - YouTube has a new ‘feature’ that scans submitted videos prior to publication to identify potentially copyrighted material - her video is found to include copyrighted material. She is certain this is a mist…
This exact thing has happened to most YT creators at this point. It's just part of doing business on YT. Some small section (<10%?) get three "copyright" strikes (nothing to do with actual copyright, of course, as Google isn't the judge of that), and get taken down, and need to start a new channel from scratch. It's what we all get for using a free video streaming service to distribute our content.
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#38This is really bad! YouTube should find ways to respond to misclaimed tracks as a creator. Also companies / individuals that claim public domain music should be banned from the platform.
you're fundamentally misunderstanding the purpose of the copyright claim system: it doesn't exist to determine the legitimate owner of a work, it exists to keep youtube from being sued. Since there is no legal penalty for a "false positive", even if the creator can prove that it's a false positive, while there is a penalty for a false negative, the system will always lean to aggressive removal and demonetization, because that's where youtube's interests lie.
the legal answer here is that if you don't like youtube's copyright system then distribute your content on another platform. Otherwise, push for there to be a penalty for an excessive removal of copyright, because that's the only thing that's going to tilt youtube's scales back to the center.
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#39Being able to access real people for support should be a mandatory requirement for big corporations offering services to the public directly.
Or in this case, maybe we should be relaxing the legal requirements that lead to YouTube trying to enforce copyright.
While that would be good, I don't think this would solve anything on Youtube. In the end Youtube is heavily courting the music companies with the way they do things, it's not about the actual law.
See the whole world of educational music youtubers, they are well within their rights to do quite a few things, but in reality they can't even perform certain short guitar riffs themselves without getting flagged.
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#40Being able to access real people for support should be a mandatory requirement for big corporations offering services to the public directly.
No. Mandating real people won't help. I've dealt with real support people who are exactly as useless as the website's FAQ. They're powerless to make any special exceptions to the predefined process or even to escalate to someone who can. As an example, I can't use my main email address for an Apple ID account because apparently somebody else set it as their backup email and I may have carelessly clicked the accept li…
You could try doing an account recovery (leverage that email) and just change it to something else.