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Piano teacher gets copyright claim for Beethoven’s Moonlight Sonata [video]

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Re: Piano teacher gets copyright claim for Beethoven’s Moonlight Sonata [video]

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Post by atoav »

tapland wrote: post #4
intricatedetail wrote: post #3

The current copyright law is unsustainable. Pretty much every melody you can think of is copyrighted and as an artist you can be anxious that anything you make can be claimed by someone else. Copyright laws need urgent change as they are not fit for purpose...

In this case that's not the problem. Beethoven isn't copyrighted, but public.

Yeah but certain Beethoven recordings are copyrighted. Legally you are totally allowed to play his works on an instrument, while you could still break someones copyright by e.g. using their 2019 recording of the work which they sell on CD or whatnot.

How will sonic fingerprinting be able to decide whether it is that copyrighted work, or whether it is somwonw playing it live? It just won't

Re: Piano teacher gets copyright claim for Beethoven’s Moonlight Sonata [video]

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Post by intricatedetail »

bluesign wrote: post #5

This is fraud. They claim they have right to something they don't, when you dispute, YouTube just directing them the dispute and they reject. As you don't want to risk 3 strike, you agree to share revenue. Basically Youtube doing nothing.

Have you ever tried to report fraud to authorities? Even if you show overwhelming evidence, details of perpetrator, chances are LE will laugh you out and say it is a civil matter.

Re: Piano teacher gets copyright claim for Beethoven’s Moonlight Sonata [video]

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Post by mcv »

This sort of thing happens way too often on Youtube, and it's far worse than merely violating copyright; here artists get denied ownership of their own expression of public domain music. Unlike mere copyright violation, this is actual copyright theft that Youtube is enabling here.

It should be punished harder than merely copying someone else's work usually is, but instead this sort of direct theft seems to be allowed by governments and copyright institutes.

Re: Piano teacher gets copyright claim for Beethoven’s Moonlight Sonata [video]

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Post by polytely »

atoav wrote: post #11
tapland wrote: post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In this case that's not the problem. Beethoven isn't copyrighted, but public.

Yeah but certain Beethoven recordings are copyrighted. Legally you are totally allowed to play his works on an instrument, while you could still break someones copyright by e.g. using their 2019 recording of the work which they sell on CD or whatnot. How will sonic fingerprinting be able to decide whether it is that copyrighted work, or whether it is somwonw playing it live? It just won't

The problem is that Youtube is pretending that their shoddy sonic fingerprinting system works and is fine with 3rd parties using their dumb system to defraud their users

Re: Piano teacher gets copyright claim for Beethoven’s Moonlight Sonata [video]

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Post by swiley »

bitcharmer wrote: post #2

She actually decided to quit YouTube after this completely unfair treatment. I think it's high time these platforms saw some regulation. It's ridiculous what they are allowed to get away with.

Good for her, it's the sustained highly creative output of skilled people that makes Youtube interesting beyond music piracy and memes. They have the power to collectively do the same to any other platform and shouldn't tolerate abuse like this.

Re: Piano teacher gets copyright claim for Beethoven’s Moonlight Sonata [video]

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Post by markvdb »

This kind of absurd copyright trouble is all over the place in the world of music education. I advised my boss to choose a video hosting platform between:

- a paid video upload account in a place where we're not the product (vimeo)

- self hosting (PeerTube)

Re: Piano teacher gets copyright claim for Beethoven’s Moonlight Sonata [video]

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Post by vidarh »

anoncow wrote: post #12

Being able to access real people for support should be a mandatory requirement for big corporations offering services to the public directly.

In the UK you have a right to have automated decisions on e.g. loan applications reviewed by a human. Broadening a right like that would certainly be worth considering.
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