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Piano teacher gets copyright claim for Beethoven’s Moonlight Sonata [video]

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Re: Piano teacher gets copyright claim for Beethoven’s Moonlight Sonata [video]

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I believe this is the video/music that claims the copyright of Moonlight Sonata (notice the downvotes): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-ThyLB6bakk

it makes it worse that its a hamfisted, soulless rendition. perhaps Mx Molland has other superior tracks but this one is particularly egregious.

Re: Piano teacher gets copyright claim for Beethoven’s Moonlight Sonata [video]

#162
In this case, a solution is to match against obviously known public domain first, and failing that, check copyright claims. I’d imagine google has or can quickly build the necessary db of all public domain music, starting with music from 100+ years ago. Also identify copyright claims that conflict with that db ahead of time.

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

How? I gave this a shot, but it was such a hassle to get it working. Hosting, automatic resampliny of videos to different quality, CDN stuff. Is there an easy way to host videos yourself?

The hosting issue is orthogonal: register a domain ($4-$15), rent a Linux VPS ($5/month), install Apache. Then, learn how to use the video embed tag ( https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Web/HTML/Element/vi... ). Use ffmpeg to convert the videos to the format and size you want them in, upload with rsync. That's it.

I forgot: go to https://letsencrypt.org/ to learn how to get a (free) certificate so you can do https.

You might be thinking that you don’t want to learn about all of that just to host some videos, and that’s reasonable. But there is a tradeoff. Either let someone else control your content and live under the threat of arbitrary takedowns, or learn what you need to control your own stuff.

If you get popular you will have to deal with bandwidth issues, because video is huge. That’s one reason even people who are capable of hosting on their own turn to platforms like YouTube.

You can look into Vimeo. For some reason it's not mentioned often as an alternative to YouTube, but it seems to be better in almost every way.

Re: Piano teacher gets copyright claim for Beethoven’s Moonlight Sonata [video]

#164
post #127

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's a problem of scale. It's perfectly possibile to manage a few hundred disputes on a daily basis, but with >5000 uploads per minute, it becomes impossible to do manually. The worst part is the asymmetry between claimants and creators. But that's the fucked up nature of civil law - the burden of proof is reversed.

> It's a problem of scale. It's perfectly possibile to manage a few hundred disputes on a daily basis, but with >5000 uploads per minute, it becomes impossible to do manually. Nonsense. Assuming the revenue to Google increases linearly with uploads, so does their ability to hire content moderators.

Revenue is a function of views, not uploads.

Re: Piano teacher gets copyright claim for Beethoven’s Moonlight Sonata [video]

#166
This is widely known among the classical musician community. Nearly every time I upload a YouTube video of me sitting at my piano playing something written 150+ years ago, I'll get a copyright strike.

In the past, I'd simply affirm it was mine and it would go away.

It looks like the new system isn't so forgiving.

This probably won't change until the right person gets a claim and hires the right lawyer who thinks of a good argument to win a massive judgement.

Re: Piano teacher gets copyright claim for Beethoven’s Moonlight Sonata [video]

#167

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How? I gave this a shot, but it was such a hassle to get it working. Hosting, automatic resampliny of videos to different quality, CDN stuff. Is there an easy way to host videos yourself?

The hosting issue is orthogonal: register a domain ($4-$15), rent a Linux VPS ($5/month), install Apache. Then, learn how to use the video embed tag ( https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Web/HTML/Element/vi... ). Use ffmpeg to convert the videos to the format and size you want them in, upload with rsync. That's it.

> install Apache

> video embed tags

> ffmpeg

> That's it

You're thinking like an engineer. To a non-technical person, that's a lot. I'd even go so far as to say it's prohibitively difficult for anyone outside of our profession.

I'll even say that it's going to be difficult even for folks within our profession. Finding someone who can launch and configure Apache properly (i.e. in a way which won't get it quickly reconfigured to serve porn or illegal files), not to mention keeping everything up to date, is getting more and more rare.

Re: Piano teacher gets copyright claim for Beethoven’s Moonlight Sonata [video]

#168
This has been happening for decades. Almost all musicians playing classical music has had bans, 3 strikes, blocks, etc on social media, youtube, live streaming sites.

Often times Hilary Hahn (one of the great violinists of our times) gets copyright claims on her own practice streams because they sound literally like her concerts and solo albums.

Basically, the more refined and the better you are as a classical musician, the more likely you'll get a ban for streaming live music (that you play) because ... the composers are all long dead and there's thousands, if not tens of thousands of previous interpretations of the same music (literally note by note the same) floating around in the algorithms of the RIAA ban bots.

Re: Piano teacher gets copyright claim for Beethoven’s Moonlight Sonata [video]

#169

Summary for those that don’t want to watch the video : - Pianist creates YouTube video demonstrating how to play Beethoven’s Moonlight Sonata - part of this video includes her playing Moonlight Sonata (of course) - YouTube has a new ‘feature’ that scans submitted videos prior to publication to identify potentially copyrighted material - her video is found to include copyrighted material. She is certain this is a mist…

Strange, that nobody at Google seems to have heard of Beethoven.

Re: Piano teacher gets copyright claim for Beethoven’s Moonlight Sonata [video]

#170
post #89
post #66

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You mean your Geocities homepage which got a fabulous 121 hits in 1997? ;)

Why would you assume that videos have to be shared to YouTube to get views? I really hope that the majority of adults know how to click on or share a hyperlink. If not, there is a big problem.

Because while i don't have numbers, i'd bet a weeks pay that the vast majority of youtube views (especially after exluding viral content) come through the youtube recommendation system and not external hyperlinks.
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