That is the reason these guys decided to Copyrighting all the melodies to avoid accidental infringement https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sJtm0MoOgiU TED talk
did it help?
Piano teacher gets copyright claim for Beethoven’s Moonlight Sonata [video]
111–120 of 503 posts
Re: Piano teacher gets copyright claim for Beethoven’s Moonlight Sonata [video]
#112It's google. I can live without it. Do you?
What about copyright it self? If they have manage to abuse it even with google what are chances that they would not find a way to abuse it on smaller platforms?
Re: Piano teacher gets copyright claim for Beethoven’s Moonlight Sonata [video]
#113Re: Piano teacher gets copyright claim for Beethoven’s Moonlight Sonata [video]
#114Earlier quoted context omitted.
> Actually Google is on the side of calling all of this retarded. Google has the means to make this stop.
How so?
Add friction to the process of submitting copyright claims. Reduce friction in the process of appealing copyright claims. Relax draconian rules like the copyright strike system leading to account closure. Adjust the content ID system to reduce false positives (assuming no magical improvement to the system this will come at the cost of increased false negatives; that seems like an entirely reasonable trade-off)
Re: Piano teacher gets copyright claim for Beethoven’s Moonlight Sonata [video]
#115This sort of thing happens way too often on Youtube, and it's far worse than merely violating copyright; here artists get denied ownership of their own expression of public domain music. Unlike mere copyright violation, this is actual copyright theft that Youtube is enabling here. It should be punished harder than merely copying someone else's work usually is, but instead this sort of direct theft seems to be allowed…
YouTube's automatic system exists to keep the company from getting sued and it's going to work like anything else at Google and be as automated as possible. The necessary result is a black box ML system to score content, and biasing ambiguous output in favor of the side more likely to have lawyers on retainer.
Re: Piano teacher gets copyright claim for Beethoven’s Moonlight Sonata [video]
#116The current copyright law is unsustainable. Pretty much every melody you can think of is copyrighted and as an artist you can be anxious that anything you make can be claimed by someone else. Copyright laws need urgent change as they are not fit for purpose...
Copyright cannot be fixed, it should be abolished. It made sense in the era of physical books and huge printing presses. That era is long gone, copying have made copying trivial.
That seems backwards: the concept of copyright was introduced because the printing press made it so much easier to make a large number of exact copies. If you agree with the introduction of copyright in that era, as you say you do, how does it then make sense to abolish it again when copying becomes even easier?
Re: Piano teacher gets copyright claim for Beethoven’s Moonlight Sonata [video]
#117Earlier quoted context omitted.
This exact thing has happened to most YT creators at this point. It's just part of doing business on YT. Some small section (<10%?) get three "copyright" strikes (nothing to do with actual copyright, of course, as Google isn't the judge of that), and get taken down, and need to start a new channel from scratch. It's what we all get for using a free video streaming service to distribute our content.
I think the centralization plus trusting a company is the issue, not a lack of cost meaning we aren't deserving of a good experience. Look at Peertube or other free as in freedom options.
> I think the centralization plus trusting a company is the issue,
I think that's not the issue at all. The problem is simply scale. Currently, about 5000 videos are uploaded to YT every minute. If just 0.1% of them have any potential copyright issues, that's 5 potentially complex cases per minute or 7200 per day.
No amount of human review will be able to decide this in a timely manner. The piano teacher's case is just the simplest of scenarios and you'd have to expect the vast majority being "fair use" cases, which are incredibly hard to decide.
Free an in freedom ultimately results in users being sued directly (see torrent networks) and I'm not at all convinced that that's any better.
Re: Piano teacher gets copyright claim for Beethoven’s Moonlight Sonata [video]
#118Earlier quoted context omitted.
Upload videos to her own website. Problem solved.
How? I gave this a shot, but it was such a hassle to get it working. Hosting, automatic resampliny of videos to different quality, CDN stuff. Is there an easy way to host videos yourself?
The hosting issue is orthogonal: register a domain ($4-$15), rent a Linux VPS ($5/month), install Apache. Then, learn how to use the video embed tag (https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Web/HTML/Element/vi...). Use ffmpeg to convert the videos to the format and size you want them in, upload with rsync. That's it.
Re: Piano teacher gets copyright claim for Beethoven’s Moonlight Sonata [video]
#119Earlier quoted context omitted.
> Since there is no legal penalty for a "false positive", I’m really confused by that part: YouTube lawyers must know that there’s a significant risk they’ll piss of a someone like a law professor and that they’ll use all their faculty to go after what is essentially fraud: there are provisions in the CDMA precisely for that, and the platform is liable for indulging those in systematic cases. Even if it’s not, they a…
The nuance with "public domain sheet music" is that while the instructions of how to play that music is public domain, the recorded performance of such music is not. So when you play moonlight sonata, you have the copyright to that particular performance (recording) and someone else cannot use that without permission. It is somewhat harder to distinguish between recordings of thousands of performances of the same mus…
This particular case is about a copyrighted "melody" and not the performance. Sheet music would cover this.
Re: Piano teacher gets copyright claim for Beethoven’s Moonlight Sonata [video]
#120Summary for those that don’t want to watch the video : - Pianist creates YouTube video demonstrating how to play Beethoven’s Moonlight Sonata - part of this video includes her playing Moonlight Sonata (of course) - YouTube has a new ‘feature’ that scans submitted videos prior to publication to identify potentially copyrighted material - her video is found to include copyrighted material. She is certain this is a mist…
Even if that piece was copyright, is it a copyright violation to play it yourself and publish it?
Potentially, yes. There are different types of licences [0] and depending on your use of copyrighted material, it may require a license to publish it legally.