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EU says Apple’s App Store breaks competition rules after Spotify complaint

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Post by briandear »

simion314 wrote: post #275
simonh wrote: post #167

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Exactly, I like the fact that if Facebook want to be on my phone they have to meet Apple's security and privacy standards. That directly benefits me, and it's one of the reasons I buy iPhones. Forcing Apple to change their product to allow side loading and alternative stores takes that away from me.

The standards could be in the SDK and the sandbox. Like you don't allow location data or access to photos to any apo (not even Apple ones). So even if I sideload an app or start a Apple app I should get same prompts("Do you want to let this app ignore your firewall rules? This might be insecure The app dev is "Facebook/Apple/Unkown) . And if Apple does not like Facebook tracking people maybe they should lobby for ant…

Why does there need to be anti-tracking laws? What if some people want to be tracked in exchange for a cheaper product? Apple allows people that value that to buy that.

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Post by biztos »

tchalla wrote: post #12

The core issue here is Apple favours their own product over competitors as they control their store. In this case, the product happens to be Music [0]. > The Commission is concerned that users of Apple devices pay significantly higher prices for their music subscription services or they are prevented from buying certain subscriptions directly in their apps. This doesn't seem to be a general issue about the 30/15% cha…

Would that not equally apply to video game console makers who also make video games? Which is all of them, right?

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Post by ethbr0 »

mlok wrote: post #368
ethbr0 wrote: post #354

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> Apple have been in the music business much longer than Spotify Since 1968 https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apple_Records

Your assumption is wrong and this is precisely why "The Beatles Apple" attacked "Steve Jobs Apple" on the Trademark front. Source : a part of the article you linked to : https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apple_Corps#Apple_Corps_v._A...

I think you missed the joke about first-isms.

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Post by pornel »

finiteseries wrote: post #117
speedgoose wrote: post #11

I wish one of the outcome would be to allow better web browsers than Safari on iOS.

Web ( Chrome ) developers often go on and on about this, but I have yet to hear a single layman user complain about their iOS version of Chrome missing the ability to have the random news websites they’ve followed from Facebook send them native notifications, take up the entire viewport, or be “installed” to their home screen.

To users it doesn't matter whether an app uses JS or Swift, only that it works smoothly and has all the features. It is in Apple's interest to keep web apps clunky, and forever less capable than their native platform.

If "Add to Homescreen" wasn't added in the pre-AppStore era, I don't think it'd happen. This feature has clearly been mothballed. Homescreen web apps were given a second-rate build of WebKit that has been been consistently slower and buggier than standalone Safari (I don't know if they've fixed it recently. Homescreen webapps that I worked on all gave in to the AppStore eventually).

Apple has the same fear as Microsoft had that powerful Web apps will make their native platform unnecessary. Microsoft made a mistake of abandoning Internet Explorer 6 entirely. Apple is smart enough to keep user-facing parts of their browser high quality, and only drag their feet on more advanced platform features. They forbid other browser engines, which magically makes Safari appear as technically capable as every other iOS browser.

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Post by jquery »

yunohn wrote: post #146
f6v wrote: post #70

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I don’t think EU cares about fair competition, rather being petty about not having their own FAANG.

You know what? The funny thing is that all of FAANG has their international HQs in the EU (Dublin, Ireland) for tax evasion purposes. I’d argue they are more reliant on the EU then.

Nobody thinks of FAANG as EU creations. Even if Nintendo is headquartered in the USA, it’s still considered Japanese. IKEA is Swedish and so on. Where the companies were founded seems to play the largest role in their national identities.

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Post by qwytw »

cblconfederate wrote: post #370
trapped wrote: post #363

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In car entertainment provided by car makers have app ecosystem and fully controlled by car makers.

Can third parties sell apps there?

Are you implying that Apple should be punished for offering a more open platform than some other companies?

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Post by yarcob »

evgen wrote: post #79
yarcob wrote: post #41

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I think this would be the best solution. Apples only (real) reason for forbidding sideloading is because then they could no longer force people to use their payments. If developers were free to use 3rd party payment solutions, then Apple would probably be a lot more lenient towards side loading apps. I believe that Apple generally wants to build what's best for their customers, except when money is on the line.

The (real) reason to forbid sideloading is that it opens your customers up to the malware sewer that is Android. If sideloading is allowed it would take about 30 seconds for Facebook to create their own 'store' where the only product is Facebook apps with tracking turned on and data pilfering turned up to 11. You would see similar fly-by-night 'malware r' us' stores pop up pushing casinos, lotteries, and whatever oth…

The security on iOS comes from extremely well working sandboxing, not from Apple's control.

A lot of scam apps get through app review. From a security point of view app review is not effective at all.

That's just a story Apple likes to tell to hide the fact that they want the power to block anything they don't like.

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Post by threeseed »

echelon wrote: post #355
breakfastduck wrote: post #196

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Apple have been in the music business much longer than Spotify.

Apple is now a monopoly. They shouldn't be allowed to run an App Store, and they should probably have their services division peeled away into a separate company. All of the mega tech monopolies need to be broken up. What business do any of them have being movie studios, advertising firms, car dealerships (Apple?), banks, and fifteen different marketplaces rolled into one? This is absurd. Tech would be better if neit…

Your position is ridiculous and unworkable.

By your definition companies like Sony, Microsoft, Nintendo, Epic Games, Intel, AMD, Nvidia, IBM, Stripe, Facebook, Samsung, Adobe etc would all need to be broken up as like Apple they are in multiple markets with similar market shares.

YC itself would need to be broken up given your criteria.

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Post by okwubodu »

jonplackett wrote: post #369

The more Apple have tried to strangle Spotify, the more I am determined to wait this out and get Spotify working properly on Siri and Watch. Every time I accidentally say "Siri play ${song_name}" without appending "on Spotify" and Siri nonchalantly replies that it cannot find ${song_name} in my Apple Music library, I double down on my determination not to let them win! Wasn't the default app thing declared a problem…

On iOS 14.5 Siri will occasionally ask which service you meant and use that as the default for a while.

Although that’s just a “soft” default. If I press play on my headphones with both Spotify and AM closed it still latches to Apple Music.

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