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EU says Apple’s App Store breaks competition rules after Spotify complaint

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Re: EU says Apple’s App Store breaks competition rules after Spotify complaint

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Side note: Please stop using EU and Europe interchangeably, they are not the same thing. 100s of millions of people live on the continent of Europe, but not in the EU.

I'll do that when US people stop using America and Americans to describe themselves.

Yes, disenfranchising hundreds of millions of people on the European continent sure gets those Americans

Re: EU says Apple’s App Store breaks competition rules after Spotify complaint

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>>If iOS becomes the android wild west it'll kill the entire selling point of the iPhone. What always baffles me, truly leaves me flabbergasted and confused, is.....who is going to force you to use any other app store other than the Apple Store?? I'm on Android, and yes, there are other stores that exist - you can download the Amazon Fire store or many others, or even sideload apps......or......shocking......you can…

Presumably stores would have exclusives which would mean it’s now more inconvenient for the same outcome.

But that's like saying that you shouldn't have more than one store per street, because they might stock exclusive items and that would be really annoying for customers to have to visit two stores for their shopping rather than one. Surely it's better to have only one store, even if it means your selection is limited by the store owner, think of all the inconvenience saved by not having any choice!

I'm being sarcastic of course, but I don't think it's that far off. Right now there are whole categories of apps that you simply cannot have as a customer(and which business cannot produce) because apple won't allow them. Not having choice is easier than having choice, sure.

And if - as an example - Epic releases Fortnite on their own store, rather than Apple store, and you as a customer don't want to go through the hassle of installing their store....then ultimately they lose out. But that's a business transaction then - if you want to buy something and the terms aren't convenient for yourself, then you just....don't.

Re: EU says Apple’s App Store breaks competition rules after Spotify complaint

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It's not clear to me from the article what remedy they're proposing. Seems like it could be any of: * Drop the 30% fee * Drop the 30% fee for apps the compete directly with Apple apps. * Allow users to install other app stores.

Something which is unintuitive is that the 30% payment fee does not advantage Apple as much as it seems. Converting a customer to Apple Music from Spotify can't increase Apple's profit by more than what Spotify lost. You have to consider that the App Store's revenue will be reduced by that 30% cut if they are not charging that to the Apple Music department.

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If only Samsung and Sony were making these TVs, and they both had these platforms, I'm screwed anyway, am I not?

How are you screwed, exactly? You can still watch tv, no?

The full value of iPhones is in the ecosystem of apps, not in the OS itself.

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How is that unpopular? I think all but a fairly vocal minority of people (probably direct/indirect beneficiaries) would agree.

The vocal minority are very active on HN's voting mechanics.

Ssh don't mention "the thing"!

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That's the whole issue - it is a general purpose computing device but Apple is trying to prevent users from using it as such for their selfish reasons. Not only is that anticompetitive, it's also dangerous (state actors can and do apply pressure on them to censor dissenting apps as Apple is the the single gatekeeper) and wasteful (you can't easily repurchase older unsupported devices due to the artificial limits inse…

A device having the capacity in raw computing power to be a general purpose computing device does not make it one. Nor does you wanting it to beone. I'm growing really frustrated with the attempts to force Apple via law to turn my 0 maintenance iPhone into another computer I've got to bloody manage.

Nobody's trying to force you to manage your iPhone. All we want changed is to have the choice to manage ours if we want to.

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Actually, yes, Spotify does have to be available on iOS devices if Spotify chooses to. Apple will be slapped with aggressive enforcement action if they pull something like that. Apple isn't a deity.

What? According to what rule is Spotify entitled a presence on Apple devices?

According to rules made by the EU presumably.

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Unpopular opinion: This was a no brainer. Apple wanted 30% (or was it less for subscriptions?) on any business that used apps, no matter if they used apple infrastructure or not. Just think about it: one company is in practice entitled to 30% of what any other business makes (in any industry)!! Also, I think apple brought this to themselves by picking a fight with Spotify (on Watch support).

> no matter if they used apple infrastructure or not.

That’s not exactly right. If Spotify (just as an example) would acquire all of their customers through their website or desktop app then they would pay nothing to Apple. That fee is only there if a user does use the InApp purchase option which Spotify doesn’t have to offer. So they’re paying only 30% to Apple if the their customer has subscribed through the iOS App.

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Every major app that iOS missed would be a significant dollar amount of sales that Apple would lose. If Netflix or Spotify or PrimeVideo wasn't available on iOS, not only would that be a marketing disaster, it would yield sales consequences. This ignores the catastrophic regulatory consequences they are already poised to incur. Apple runs the app store for users (people like me who in aggregate have made it the most…

> it is simply bizarre seeing these claims like it's some enormous expense that they're doing because they're benevolent. That's not a claim I've made in any way, shape, or form. Please don't misrepresent things I've written based on your own self-projections.

Predicting that they're going to charge a "bananas" amount for "hosting and distributing apps" -- ostensibly on the basis of the cost of all of these "free" users (where free means paid enormous amounts for devices based upon this service) -- certainly does seem to make that claim.

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Because they're all trying to build platforms, probably

Are we doing “temporally embarrassed platformers” now

Aren't startups just temporarily embarrassed FTAANGs?
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