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I'm hopeful Apple might be forced to divest the App Store into a separate company entirely tbh.
I wonder if they do that, if they will be pressured into allowing competing stores too. Seems inevitable.
Let’s hope not.
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Remember their response in the ebook price fixing lawsuit? https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_v._Apple_Inc .
No?
Maybe this:
>Apple asserted that it is entitled to a verdict in its favor since the evidence does not "tend to exclude" the possibility that Apple acted in a manner consistent with its lawful business interests.
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Apple could just stop offering own apps. Utility companies are often regulated similarly - in many countries you can be either an energy producer or grid, not both.
Why do people compare luxury phone products to utilities lol. Do people honestly believe access to electricity and to iPhones are in any way comparable?
Protection of consumers is the common ground.
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The issue is it being a mandatory offering, as opposed to alternative stores. And it's designed to make a profit, not to secure iOS in any meaningful way. (For instance, the requirement on IAPs, despite them not requiring additional software distribution services or app review costs for Apple.) If Apple wants to secure or curate their platform, fine, but it's now a general computing device, and alternative platforms…
I don’t understand why people say it’s a general computing device. It’s clearly not nor has it been advertised as such. If it actually was a general computing device you could just install an entirely different operating system onto it. If Apple allowed users to install Android on iPhones but didn’t change iOS would that be an acceptable solution? If so, what’s stopping someone from just getting an Android device now…
That's the whole issue - it is a general purpose computing device but Apple is trying to prevent users from using it as such for their selfish reasons.
Not only is that anticompetitive, it's also dangerous (state actors can and do apply pressure on them to censor dissenting apps as Apple is the the single gatekeeper) and wasteful (you can't easily repurchase older unsupported devices due to the artificial limits inserted by Apple in what they can boot).
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#185Earlier quoted context omitted.
Why do people compare luxury phone products to utilities lol. Do people honestly believe access to electricity and to iPhones are in any way comparable?
Because sometimes you have no choice then build a mobile app and you have to build it for what your customers use, I can't ask my customers to switch to some Linux phone or PC because I have the choice to build only Linux stuff. From the POV of users I would like to see soemthing to make it easy to escape the lockin, like to be able to keep your movies and apps.
The vast majority of businesses have no app presence. I honestly don’t understand.
In no way are Apple devices and electricity access comparable. Phone ecosystems come and go - energy access is forever.
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#186It's crazy to me how nobody seems to have copied the lucrative app store model. Why isn't there a service that reviews websites and programs to give them a "trust" rating?
You can't bundle them with the OS like Apple does, so why would anyone use it?
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#187Earlier quoted context omitted.
Why do people compare luxury phone products to utilities lol. Do people honestly believe access to electricity and to iPhones are in any way comparable?
Protection of consumers is the common ground.
Would you say televisions and electricity are also comparable for the same reason?
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So then if Apple Music internally pays 30% to App Store, we're all good by this definition.
I think the problem is with 'internally'. As I understand it, the antitrust regulations could force Apple to spin Apple Music out.
Let's take a step and ponder wouldn't you find it bizarre to have this sequence of events:
1. Apple creates iPod, and iTunes serves as its music store.
2. Apple creates iPhone, which has an iPod app.
3. Apple introduces App Store so other apps can be used on the iPhone.
4. iPod (Apple Music) competitors emerge.
5. EU says "that's it, Apple can't have iPod anymore on the phone unless iPod (Apple Music) becomes a separate company".
No one (successfully) sued Apple for anti-competitive practices on iPod. Ergo if the iPhone never had an App Store, they'd be allowed to have 100% of the revenue of iTunes, and ban competitors out completely.
By opening the iPhone platform to third parties, EU sees them as another type of entity completely. In effect the EU penalizes the creation of market places, because once you're market place, you lose control over your own products to the government.
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#189I wish one of the outcome would be to allow better web browsers than Safari on iOS.
It sounds like a good idea but I would like to point out how the largest Ad company makes Chrome.
Re: EU says Apple’s App Store breaks competition rules after Spotify complaint
#190I was accidently tuning into the press conference. I was surprised how accurate their statement was and how well defined the commissioner spoke.