I was just commenting to a co-worker my entire family hasn't been sick since the pandemic started. That is very unusual for a family with young children. No flu, no stomach viruses, absolutely nothing for more than a year now. Thankfully no covid-19 either.
I’m retired. I basically changed only two things in my weekly routine: I stopped going to a weekly meeting of about fifteen old men, and I stopped going to the local hairdresser, which is a small group of young women, most of whom have young children, and, I suspect, tend to work even if they are slightly ill, because they get paid by the haircut. I usually get two or three colds and one or two flus a year. In the pa…
Flu has disappeared worldwide during the Covid pandemic
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The Forbes assertions are trivially confirmed. https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/15325026/ https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/18434036/ Studies demonstrating mask efficacy are just as easily Googleable. You might not want to be throwing around "trash publication" slams here, given your cite.
I'm confused. Those are all different authors. I'm saying "trash publication" because I had experience working with Forbes. Once again, one can publish at Forbes whatever the hell they want. It costs a few hundred bucks.
From the "Medical Hypotheses" journal the Forbes article is criticizing for poor editorial control, and citing those as examples. At least read the claim you're attempting to debunk.
> Once again, one can publish at Forbes whatever the hell they want. It costs a few hundred bucks.
Apparently that's also true for the "Medical Hypotheses" journal.
Re: Flu has disappeared worldwide during the Covid pandemic
#343I was just commenting to a co-worker my entire family hasn't been sick since the pandemic started. That is very unusual for a family with young children. No flu, no stomach viruses, absolutely nothing for more than a year now. Thankfully no covid-19 either.
This year was a great experiment in person hygiene. It was the healthiest I have ever been for a full year, no colds, stomach bugs, anything. I'm not sure which practices I'll continue, but its definitely shown me that I have wayyyy more control over my health than I previously thought. Curious what others think are the most effective continued practices. Seems like social distancing isn't super reasonable, but maybe…
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#344Everyone with flu symptoms now gets diagnosed as having "COVID" based on an unreliable and questionable pcr test. It is all a scam.
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You can do a LOT. I haven't been sick once in 6+ years because I do the following: 1) Almost never eat out. Home cooked meals that I've prepped / washed. This was single handedly the biggest factor that completely removed "getting sick" from my life. 2) Hand wash before touching face, or food. 3) Avoid sick people. If I hear someone coughing or sneezing, I move away from them. Call me a germ freak, I don't care, I've…
I've done the same except for not eating out, same result. I regularly eat at places that perhaps are not the pinnacle of hygiene. Doesn't make a difference. My theory is that your mouth is already a cesspool where bacteria colonies fight it all out. It makes sense, because "safe" meal preparation is unnatural. Your nose/eyes are far more vulnerable.
Re: Flu has disappeared worldwide during the Covid pandemic
#346Wow, I always knew Flu was seasonal, but never realized how extreme that was. Looking at the North America graph, basically after May, the flu almost entirely disappears until the end of summer. Roughly 3 orders of magnitude difference between the peak and summer time. I would've thought it was closer to maybe 10x.
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While I have two myself, I am the first to say it: Children are disease carrying vermin
In Germany meanwhile it has become a meme that "schools are not the driver off the pandemic" stated by all politicians who are obviously taking a page from the Iraqi information Ministers playbook.
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#348https://syndromictrends.com/metric/panel/rp/percent_positivi... Unless I'm reading that chart wrong it seems like flu went away but viruses that cause cold like symptoms stuck around. If masks/etc was super effective wouldn't you expect those to go down with influenza?
> If masks/etc was super effective wouldn't you expect those to go down with influenza? Viruses are not identical. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rhinovirus > They are lytic in nature and are among the smallest viruses, with diameters of about 30 nanometers. By comparison, other viruses, such as smallpox and vaccinia, are around ten times larger at about 300 nanometers, while flu viruses are around 80–120 nm. Differen…
Not necessarily - when speaking and otherwise spreading aerosols they start out much larger than any virus particles contained within them and quickly dry out and shrink if in air (i.e. not caught in a mask) [1, 1um - 500um, between Table I & Fig 11].
If they were on their own, the small 'nanoparticle' regime (1-100nm) shows fairly good filtration in a variety of media [1st image in 3] thanks at least in part to the diffusion of particles through filter media. It's not the same by size by any means (with smaller often being the most passed particle size) but it varies with filter construction and treatment [3].
[1]: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8061903/ [2]: https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/pdf/10.1080/00022470.1980.10... [3]: https://academic.oup.com/annweh/article/56/5/568/159920
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> and the small difference in R0 is crude thinking. Given the reproduction number appears as the base of an exponent, I would not consider the difference "small." If influenza has a typical R0 of about 2, reducing contacts by 50% would make its growth non-exponential. If covid has a typical R0 of about 2.5, doing the same would require a further 20% reduction of contacts, to 40% of baseline rather than 50%. Since pop…
> Given the reproduction number appears as the base of an exponent, I would not consider the difference "small." The difference in measurement is small, relative to the error in measurement. Look at the error bars on the R0 estimates in that paper. Influenza runs from 1.06 to 3.4 . You are trying to make micrometer inferences from a parameter where our best estimates are measured in libraries of congress.
If you consider the influenza estimate independent of equivalent estimates for covid, then there's a substantially greater than 50% chance that influenza's R0 is meaningfully smaller than that of the flu. If the estimates are partially dependent (i.e. methodology that gives a larger estimate for influenza would also give a larger estimate for covid), then that chance goes up further.
Moreover, we also have evidence in the actual observations of epidemic dynamics. Over the southern hemisphere fall of 2020 (northern hemisphere spring), covid cases increased more rapidly than influenza cases in countries that were entering their flu seasons. That's compelling-to-me evidence that covid in fact has a larger basic reproductive number, whether that be due to a fundamental difference in the virus or just the effects of low baseline immunity.
Now, your idea that the particular set of policy restrictions may be more effective against influenza than covid is very interesting. There's a basic horse sense to it, as well, since policymakers were largely operating from a playbook written for a flu pandemic. However, I do not think that "more effective" is a necessary component of the argument; "at least as effective" will do just as well given influenza's low baseline prevalence (out of season).
Remember, my original point upthread was not to explain every bit of the relative epidemic curves, but instead to claim that we really ought not be surprised by the difference. I see little need to resort to specialized theories to explain the broad outline, even though I'm sure they will be helpful in the details.
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#350This should not come as a surprise, and it was largely predictable from the outset. The flu has a base reproduction number (R0) less than 2 ( https://www.vdh.virginia.gov/coronavirus/2020/12/07/covid-19... ). Covid has an R0 in the vicinity of 2.5 ( https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/hcp/planning-scena... ). In the meantime, public health measures like masking and distancing will work against both viruses. If…
> This should not come as a surprise, and it was largely predictable from the outset....the flu has a base reproduction number (R0) less than 2....Covid has an R0 in the vicinity of 2.5....In the meantime, public health measures like masking and distancing will work against both viruses....there's really no need for conspiracy theorizing. Assuming that this is due to "masking and distancing" and the small difference…