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Re: New evidence that British workplaces are losing viewpoint diversity

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Post by Negitivefrags »

andrepd wrote: post #658
dbrueck wrote: post #533

Earlier quoted context omitted.

For starters, go search Twitter for 'George Floyd' - it's hard to find threads that /don't/ make it about racism to some degree or another. But even a cursory search on other sides yields oodles of results; here's some from just the first page or two of hits: "Racism killed George Floyd" - https://www.americantheatre.org/2021/04/15/day-after-day-rac... "George Floyd murder exposes rotten racism in the US" - https://w…

> For starters, go search Twitter for 'George Floyd' Twitter is not a representative slice of the population or its feelings, so that's why your premise is right out of the bat flawed.

You specifically asked “where are all the boogeymen?” and the answer was “On Twitter” but that wasn’t good enough for you?

Re: New evidence that British workplaces are losing viewpoint diversity

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Post by kodah »

arcturus17 wrote: post #281
mustafa_pasi wrote: post #157

Progressivism is the new Christianity, taking over the pagan landscape. It used to be that politics (in the UK) was class based. You are this or that based on your background. Two people from different classes would understand why the other did not support the same political party. That was how it was, and nobody felt the other should not exist. Everyone felt the other had a place in society. These progressive ideolo…

> Progressivism is the new Christianity, taking over the pagan landscape Perhaps your comment is a bit of a rant with highs and lows, but this is a rather powerful analogy. Growing up in Spain, a country with a very strong Catholic tradition, I hated the Church and its invasive prescriptions. Still to this day I count my lucky stars not having spent my younger years during the Franco dictatorship, where being Spanish…

I was raised Catholic as well, and went to a Catholic school. I've drawn heavy parallels between the Catholic church in the 90s to progressive rhetoric. You're not alone.

Re: New evidence that British workplaces are losing viewpoint diversity

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Post by stickfigure »

intergalplan wrote: post #649
stickfigure wrote: post #621

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Sure. And there are fewer full-blown autistic people than there are people "on the spectrum". But it's a lot easier to study autism by looking at severe cases than it is to try to figure out what's biologically different about people who are "a little aspy". 92% of veterinarians are female 98.8% (!) of preschool and kindergarten teachers are female If you want to understand gender imbalance in employment, these are t…

> 98.8% (!) of preschool and kindergarten teachers are female I'm fairly sure a big part of the driver for the imbalance in education is that being a teacher is one of the only ways, other than being a full-time employee (not contractor) some place like Google, to access European-like levels of parental leave, plus European-like levels of time-off, generally, which is also hugely valuable when you have kids, while al…

I don't disagree with you, but it's notable that the gender imbalance for teachers diminishes as the kids get older.

* Preschool and kindergarten teachers 98.8% female

* Elementary and middle school teachers 79.6% female

* Secondary school teachers 58.8% female

* Postsecondary teachers 51.1% female

There's clearly a lot more going on here.

Re: New evidence that British workplaces are losing viewpoint diversity

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Post by dbrueck »

andrepd wrote: post #658
dbrueck wrote: post #533

Earlier quoted context omitted.

For starters, go search Twitter for 'George Floyd' - it's hard to find threads that /don't/ make it about racism to some degree or another. But even a cursory search on other sides yields oodles of results; here's some from just the first page or two of hits: "Racism killed George Floyd" - https://www.americantheatre.org/2021/04/15/day-after-day-rac... "George Floyd murder exposes rotten racism in the US" - https://w…

> For starters, go search Twitter for 'George Floyd' Twitter is not a representative slice of the population or its feelings, so that's why your premise is right out of the bat flawed.

You asked for examples and so I gave them to you, and then you dismissed the first because you didn't like it and then completely ignored the other two.

I'm discussing this in good faith and am assuming you are too. Please update your reply or erase it. Thanks!

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Post by omniglottal »

dbrueck wrote: post #548
tstrimple wrote: post #486

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Cooperation is no guarantee that you won't be extra-judiciously murdered without consequences either. We have plenty of examples like Philando Castile to put the myth of "just cooperate" to rest.

So? There is no guarantee of anything, for anyone. But in terms of risk management, you can take some extremely simple steps to reduce the risk to approximately zero. Here's "the talk" that all parents can have with their kids: 1) Do your best to avoid breaking the law or associating with people that do. 2) If you have a police encounter, cooperate. Does that /guarantee/ anything? Of course not. But follow those two…

Step #2 is precisely the opposite of the advice that keeps innocent victims of the police out of jail. Cooperate, sure, but the actual advice that lawyers provide is not to talk, and end the interaction as firmly and respectfully as possible. As a reminder, cops are encouraged and professionally trained to manipulate and deceive, and they will use anything you say against you.

Your advice might work more effectively for someone privileged enough to be able to afford bail and a lawyer.

Re: New evidence that British workplaces are losing viewpoint diversity

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Post by jb775 »

toyg wrote: post #232
samvher wrote: post #209

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It sounds like you're saying "I only see these leftists using extremely shallow reasoning, and they don't understand that they're wrong because they don't look at my/our reasoning beyond a shallow level." If you would look for more depth in the reasoning of the people you're disagreeing with yourself, you might be surprised at what you might find. The frustration you're expressing to me seems to be very symmetric, oc…

One of the problems of modern political discourse is that the world is now extremely fragmented, and the economic and social theories underpinning this or that position are extremely complex - on all sides. For example, stuff like gender-related issues on the left have now evolved through hundreds of papers and volumes, which might even make sense if considered sequentially (and if validity is granted to the field at…

> social incentives push people towards finding "un-owned niches" and push them into mainstream consciousness

Yeah social incentives are so ass-backwards nowadays. People are actually being rewarded for being seen as victims nowadays, so we're seeing people actually compete for the "highest level of victimhood". We literally just had a princess on Oprah telling her sob story about how the other princes and princesses weren't nice enough to her.

It's a race to the bottom that doesn't actually benefit anyone, doesn't include any mention of figuring out how to fix the root cause of the issue, and reduces the seriousness of actual victims of bad circumstance.

Re: New evidence that British workplaces are losing viewpoint diversity

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Post by belorn »

intergalplan wrote: post #649
stickfigure wrote: post #621

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Sure. And there are fewer full-blown autistic people than there are people "on the spectrum". But it's a lot easier to study autism by looking at severe cases than it is to try to figure out what's biologically different about people who are "a little aspy". 92% of veterinarians are female 98.8% (!) of preschool and kindergarten teachers are female If you want to understand gender imbalance in employment, these are t…

> 98.8% (!) of preschool and kindergarten teachers are female I'm fairly sure a big part of the driver for the imbalance in education is that being a teacher is one of the only ways, other than being a full-time employee (not contractor) some place like Google, to access European-like levels of parental leave, plus European-like levels of time-off, generally, which is also hugely valuable when you have kids, while al…

That would be a great theory, except that gender segregation is similar for countries with European-like levels of parental leave.

In a Swedish study the term they used for the teacher profession was a "leaky pipe". The first year at university the teacher program is only somewhat gender segregated, but for every year that goes men either quit or refocus towards a specialty with more men. Once graduate, each year as an employed teacher the segregation rate increases with men either quitting or switching to a specialty like after-school sport.

The number 1 cause as highlighted by that study: culture fit and not feeling accepted.

Re: New evidence that British workplaces are losing viewpoint diversity

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Post by goalieca »

pjc50 wrote: post #142
goalieca wrote: post #60

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I remember things about a generation ago. It wasn’t always rosy; some unacceptable things were causally said. But, there seemed to be less hate for the other team. We seem to live in a hyper-polarized world exemplified by the shift in late night talk shows where you can no longer escape politics. Both teams are playing to win and there is never any rest.

I just about remember the Miner's Strike, and IRA bombs going off in London. Let's not de-polarise the past in our memories. What has changed is the way dishonesty has spread up the media and political system.

There were certainly polarizing events in the past. Canada has no shortage of important events including the Quebec referendum. But i've never felt like i was under continuous pressure from one news cycle to the next.

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Post by jb775 »

jbeam wrote: post #492
jb775 wrote: post #156

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> how willingly other people bring up politically sensitive issues in the workplace I'd say I'm a mix of conservative/Libertarian and this kind of blows my mind over the past few years. It seems like I constantly hear people on the left openly voicing their political opinions around crowds of people, and always speak in a way that they genuinely believe everyone around them agrees....and often have a condescending wa…

> Conservative policies take a bit more explaining to get their point across, and are much more focused on the logical and realistic side of things. >... >Also, the time horizon for conservative viewpoints is often much longer (think about generations in the future and the impact today's decisions will have down the road). Conservative policy in the US toward climate change right now is "it's a worldwide scientific h…

> The United States is the about the only western country for which the right-wing views this as illogical and unrealistic

I never said this wasn't ideal, I'm saying it's unrealistic to snap your fingers and make it happen. I'm saying it sounds good to say this(which is why it's often boasted about by the left), but the process in which the left wants to go about it are completely unrealistic and lead to bigger unrelated long-term issues that they want to sweep under the rug. Kind of like what the boomers did with social security, so we are stuck paying the bill but will never share the benefits of. I'm sure it made for great left-wing politics back then!

> Climate change

I don't think it's a hoax, but I think it's being blown out of proportion to support other left wing agendas (in the form of using it as a vehicle to collect more tax money). I also don't think necessary components are being factored in such as exponential growth of new technologies, and a reduction of the world population in the future (no one's having kids anymore). I also think the left's proposed idea of a "climate tax" will not only not work, but it will lead to even more wealth disparity and overall human suffering. Lets do simple economics: charge a polluting business extra taxes...they pass the extra cost down the supply chain (eventually to consumers)...and they mark up their services by a fixed percentage and use their variable cost as the anchor...which means e.g. a 35% markup leads to more profits for big business, higher expense for consumers, and no actual incentive to cut production levels. Not to mention the inflation triggered by that.

FYI your response is essentially a cookie cutter leftist response, and you're pretty much proving my point. You complain about things using sensational, overly emotional, and somewhat condescending language...but then don't offer any logical solutions to any of the issues. You're essentially making noise that sounds good, but doesn't contain any meaningful or helpful substance.

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