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Should companies cater to racists?
Why this is not automatically killed by bot? But the other reasonable comment by "notsureaboutpg" was? The bot is stupid.
I don't trust this article. The phrase "Losing viewpoint diversity" is of course crafted to make it sound like a chilling trend. Pretty clear what they want you to think about it. But if you drill into what that's referring to, whether you think it's a bad thing is entirely up to what you think of how the viewpoints are changing. "Fewer racists than ever" also maps to "less viewpoint diversity" but is totally a good…
I also don't think outright racism is the only taboo viewpoint. Example contributions could be "I think male and female should be the most prominent gender options because my grandma wouldn't know how to use this device if she had to scroll through our current alphabetised list", or "do we really want to stick a gigantic Black Lives Matter banner on our website when 37% of our customer base supports Blue Lives Matter and will hate us, and 40% have no strong opinion"? If someone is skeptical about a political message, they'll be able to notice problems that the less skeptical don't.
Funny that they don't mention what "certain, commonplace views" people "stay silent" about. That might put a different spin on things. As I mentioned [1] about the Basecamp debacle, you can't get full "viewpoint diversity" and full "identity diversity" because some viewpoints are hostile to some identities. Given our society's long history of those viewpoints being endemic, and given the slow movement away from ident…
The article actually mentions at least two examples, so I don't think there's as much room for spin with this as you might think.
One is Conservative voters, who have been vilified by the hard left since the 1970s, not least because of a sense of betrayal with the erosion of parts of the historic Labour voter base as people from working-class backgrounds moved to white-collar professions and abandoned trade unionism, and this has been particularly apparent in the arts. There is a "Shy Tory" phenomenon that has continued to confound pollsters.
Another is people who voted for the UK to leave the EU in the 2016 referendum. Leave voters were regularly presented as ignorant and racist by major media sources from the lead up to the referendum until the final death of the Remain/Change UK insurgency after the 2019 General Election, with variations on Little Englander as well as different flavours of False Consciousness.
I think your reference to a "full 'viewpoint diversity'" is invoking a concept that isn't found within the article; instead, the article addresses
> views that diverge from majority public opinion
and it is saying that these are more likely to be voiced, and to be tolerated without fear of termination or marginalization when they are from people on the Progressive/Labour side of the political spectrum.
I don't think the scope of this discussion was intended to extend to people who "want to kill black people" (as they did in your cartoon); instead it encompasses the type of issues that people have been talking about in the UK over the last few years, which include enacting the result of the 2016 referendum, as well as those pertaining to taxation, immigration, education, healthcare and defence.
I don't trust this article. The phrase "Losing viewpoint diversity" is of course crafted to make it sound like a chilling trend. Pretty clear what they want you to think about it. But if you drill into what that's referring to, whether you think it's a bad thing is entirely up to what you think of how the viewpoints are changing. "Fewer racists than ever" also maps to "less viewpoint diversity" but is totally a good…
We are now at the point that any further attempt to eliminate racism by force comes at the cost of suppressing accurate perceptions of reality. At what point would it stop being worth it to you to get rid of some small additional number of racists if the cost is massive damage to free speech and rational investigation of reality? Also, are there really "fewer racists than ever" now? Anti-white racism has been on the…
That seriously breaks HN's rule against flamebait. Please don't take HN threads further into flamewar. It just points the site hellward
https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
Edit: we've warned you about exactly this before: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=23453371. Needing two warnings about something like that is an extremely bad sign. Please don't do this on HN again.
Unsurprising, given that their is the script that conforms to every paragraph of the company HR manual.
I don't trust this article. The phrase "Losing viewpoint diversity" is of course crafted to make it sound like a chilling trend. Pretty clear what they want you to think about it. But if you drill into what that's referring to, whether you think it's a bad thing is entirely up to what you think of how the viewpoints are changing. "Fewer racists than ever" also maps to "less viewpoint diversity" but is totally a good…
It's also keenly hypocritical because it's the same group for whom 'diversity' is a ostensibly an important, defining element.
For most people, losing viewpoint diversity would not be a good thing.
Also - I don't think there ever was a time to 'talk politics' at work, but certainly holding 'commonplace views' was ok, historically.
This happens in American workplaces, too. In my experience, most people at tech startups think the same, especially non-product people (anyone who isn't in engineering, design or product). If you want to unconditionally love the mission of your company, chances are you have to set aside your own personal opinions. It is statistically very unlikely that your personal viewpoints are exactly parallel to the company's. N…
This research is not about 'company viewpoints', it's about 'workplace diversity of individual viewpoints'.
In fact, the article is very clearly about 'political' viewpoints etc. and doesn't refer at all to pro/anti-company thinking etc. which frankly deserves study but would represent a different kind of social artifact.
I don't trust this article. The phrase "Losing viewpoint diversity" is of course crafted to make it sound like a chilling trend. Pretty clear what they want you to think about it. But if you drill into what that's referring to, whether you think it's a bad thing is entirely up to what you think of how the viewpoints are changing. "Fewer racists than ever" also maps to "less viewpoint diversity" but is totally a good…
Their subsequent bashing of The Progressive Activist confirmed it.
Then when they compared discrimination based on political views (which you pick) with discrimination on race (which you don't get to pick), I wasn't even surprised.
Who the hell are these "Ethical Systems", and why the hell should anyone listen to them?
(I guess we could believe them because an unethical person would never call their org Ethical Systems /s)
This happens in American workplaces, too. In my experience, most people at tech startups think the same, especially non-product people (anyone who isn't in engineering, design or product). If you want to unconditionally love the mission of your company, chances are you have to set aside your own personal opinions. It is statistically very unlikely that your personal viewpoints are exactly parallel to the company's. N…
This is the paradoxical struggle I've had, from day one, at the startup for which I work. I was praised for being "fresh eyes" and having "creative ideas", only to be reminded "how we do things here" after producing something that I thought would be a progressive way of addressing the company's challenges. I continue to try new directions, and every once in a while something sticks, but often times I just have to be…
I'm neither old nor experienced enough to back this with even anecdotal evidence, but I can't imagine this is a new development; surely most workplaces have always been hostile to viewpoints at odds with contemporary business norms. It's just the norms themselves that have changed during the shift to a globalized economy that favors knowledge work. Despite the "progressive activist" moniker applied in the article and…