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Eddy Cue wanted to bring iMessage to Android in 2013

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Re: Eddy Cue wanted to bring iMessage to Android in 2013

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Post by musingsole »

sodality2 wrote: post #23
ForHackernews wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> (protip: its affecting your life and relationships) Haha, what? Anyway, joke's on them, I use Signal.

Group MMS is terrible (group chats in general) and you can't really expect a group of people to all download and install a new app because one person has it. In all likelihood, you will simply be excluded or if it's important, you will be forced to use something like facebook messenger, google hangouts, instagram, etc which is worse than SMS.

That logic would've applied to imessenger when it first appeared on the scene. Yet it is possible for challengers to displace the previous method despite not (yet) having the requisite network effects.

To now argue that nothing can or should supplant it is just Applecronyism.

Re: Eddy Cue wanted to bring iMessage to Android in 2013

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Post by peruvian »

decafninja wrote: post #18

I feel like I'm the only iPhone user that barely makes use of iMessage. All my chat communications is done via Google Hangouts (or whatever they call it these days), WhatsApp, or Kakao (I'm Korean). I think I have exactly one friend who I use iMessage with. Then again, half my friends are Android users, so...

Completely depends on where you live AND also your social bubble. That's why these threads are often repetitive in nature. Everyone's different.

Here in NYC, I can count the number of Android users I've met in one hand... but I know that tons of people have Android phones. Most chatting happens on iMessage and maybe Instagram chat (people seem to exchange IG usernames rather than phone numbers nowadays).

Re: Eddy Cue wanted to bring iMessage to Android in 2013

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Post by ImprovedSilence »

rodiger wrote: post #24
decafninja wrote: post #18

I feel like I'm the only iPhone user that barely makes use of iMessage. All my chat communications is done via Google Hangouts (or whatever they call it these days), WhatsApp, or Kakao (I'm Korean). I think I have exactly one friend who I use iMessage with. Then again, half my friends are Android users, so...

In the US market it's much more dominant.

Yeah. Im us based, and have two different friend groups that i text with daily. One group all has iphones and we use imessage. The other group recently landed in signal, but has been all over the place over the years, from email, to g chat, to hangouts, then tried whats app, then back to hangouts....

Re: Eddy Cue wanted to bring iMessage to Android in 2013

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Post by [deleted] »

peruvian wrote: post #32
decafninja wrote: post #18

I feel like I'm the only iPhone user that barely makes use of iMessage. All my chat communications is done via Google Hangouts (or whatever they call it these days), WhatsApp, or Kakao (I'm Korean). I think I have exactly one friend who I use iMessage with. Then again, half my friends are Android users, so...

Completely depends on where you live AND also your social bubble. That's why these threads are often repetitive in nature. Everyone's different. Here in NYC, I can count the number of Android users I've met in one hand... but I know that tons of people have Android phones. Most chatting happens on iMessage and maybe Instagram chat (people seem to exchange IG usernames rather than phone numbers nowadays).

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Re: Eddy Cue wanted to bring iMessage to Android in 2013

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Post by madars »

vmception wrote: post #3
exabrial wrote: post #2

They would have captured 100% of the messaging market. Reminds me of '90s *Nix companies with sales bros wanting to sling around overpriced hardware, preventing expansion of the company in other fronts.

Agreed. They could probably monetize that better than hardware sales too, most likely via Apple Wallet payments and data. And the whole blue/green bubble pretentiousness would have never happened, which is funny because so many Android users still have no idea that's even happening to them or just assume they don't need to care about anybody that cares about that. (protip: its affecting your life and relationships)

Sure, not using iMessage means missing out on certain social interactions but so does not using Facebook, for example. Life can't be played optimally.

Re: Eddy Cue wanted to bring iMessage to Android in 2013

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Post by lotsofpulp »

vmception wrote: post #17
llampx wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The bubble is a US thing primarily. Not because Americans are uniquely prone to it, but because iPhones are not as common outside of the US. But don't worry non-Americans, people are judging you on the basis of how you dress, eat, walk and talk and deciding silently whether to let you in their social circle or not.

Yes and WhatsApp is not as popular in the US, with messaging being very fragmented between a variety of other Facebook products.

WhatsApp was a game changer for people that had international contacts. Before WhatsApp, all the mobile networks (at least in the US) charged exorbitant amounts of money for international SMS and MMS.

Then, WhatsApp came and it was free and cross platform, compressed images and video to send them quick with decent quality, and free of spam. Absolutely perfect execution, in my opinion. If it was not owned by Facebook, I’d probably pay a considerable amount for it if it promised security and privacy.

Re: Eddy Cue wanted to bring iMessage to Android in 2013

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Post by ibero »

slfnflctd wrote: post #10

Like many others, I switched from iOS to Android during a time when it (edit: this transition process) was most fraught with very unexpected failure modes. I remember being absolutely incredulous that anyone thought this experience reflected positively on Apple in any way-- it seemed incompetent at best, and had a strong stink of maliciousness to boot. I've always seen this as major bungle on their part, and it's one…

i honestly don’t remember what period of time you are referring to. could you elaborate on examples from the period of time iOS was “fraught with very unexpected failure modes?”

edit: i just saw your edit to specify iMessage the app.

Re: Eddy Cue wanted to bring iMessage to Android in 2013

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Post by rrrazdan »

jonp888 wrote: post #16
afavour wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I have a family, small children, relatives. Grandparents loves to see videos of their grandchildren. Sharing a video via group MMS is fraught with problems, it often doesn't work, or the resolution is garbage. iMessage works every time. I'm not dismissing your experience but the green vs blue bubbles do make a big difference for many of us.

There are many popular messaging applications(Signal/Telegram/WhatsApp) that are cross platform and handle multimedia content well. This is what is used outside of the US.

They don't. Whatsapp degrades image/video quality massively. Just a choice they made given that a lot of their customers are bandwidth constrained. If I have to send a photo that I took with my high quality phone camera, I prefer to use iMessage.

Re: Eddy Cue wanted to bring iMessage to Android in 2013

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Post by criddell »

codq wrote: post #28

Not only did Apple miss an opportunity to own global messaging, Google could have done the same if they had designed Allo with SMS fallback similar to iMessage. I have no idea what they were thinking with Allo, but they blew one of the easiest layups I’ve ever seen.

I don't understand how Google wasn't able to figure out messaging. That has to be an embarrassment inside Google.
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