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Eddy Cue wanted to bring iMessage to Android in 2013

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Re: Eddy Cue wanted to bring iMessage to Android in 2013

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Post by afavour »

exabrial wrote: post #2

They would have captured 100% of the messaging market. Reminds me of '90s *Nix companies with sales bros wanting to sling around overpriced hardware, preventing expansion of the company in other fronts.

Depends on location, IMO. I was an Android user for years (since the Nexus One!) and the vast majority of my contacts were on iOS. My lack of iMessage was a constant frustration and I would have signed up in an instant.

But I'm in the US, which has a disproportionately high amount of iOS users. Across the rest of the world iMessage would be competing with WhatsApp and its existing network (something the e-mails in the article note) and I think it would have been an uphill struggle.

Re: Eddy Cue wanted to bring iMessage to Android in 2013

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Post by oneplane »

musingsole wrote: post #5
vmception wrote: post #3

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Agreed. They could probably monetize that better than hardware sales too, most likely via Apple Wallet payments and data. And the whole blue/green bubble pretentiousness would have never happened, which is funny because so many Android users still have no idea that's even happening to them or just assume they don't need to care about anybody that cares about that. (protip: its affecting your life and relationships)

I quite literally don't need to care about the blue bubble nonsense. It's a great flag for a person I can happily ignore.

I suppose you are one of the special few in that case. In other social groups people tend to gravitate towards a common messaging infrastructure, only sharing the absolute essentials when reminded of those that are not part of that shared system.

This means that while you might be part of the group while physically present, you are not a part of the group outside of that. For billions of people around the world that is a problem (not the tech, but the isolation), and as such, that is where a good deal of focus goes towards.

This isn't about selecting your friends or social groups based on tech, but about groups of people dynamically interacting. Replace the applied construct with something else and it still applies. (you don't like smoke signals because big smoke is evil to you, so you use carrier hawks, but al your friends still use smoke signals and can't be bothered to learn how to maintain a hawk)

Re: Eddy Cue wanted to bring iMessage to Android in 2013

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Post by afavour »

musingsole wrote: post #5
vmception wrote: post #3

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Agreed. They could probably monetize that better than hardware sales too, most likely via Apple Wallet payments and data. And the whole blue/green bubble pretentiousness would have never happened, which is funny because so many Android users still have no idea that's even happening to them or just assume they don't need to care about anybody that cares about that. (protip: its affecting your life and relationships)

I quite literally don't need to care about the blue bubble nonsense. It's a great flag for a person I can happily ignore.

I have a family, small children, relatives. Grandparents loves to see videos of their grandchildren. Sharing a video via group MMS is fraught with problems, it often doesn't work, or the resolution is garbage. iMessage works every time. I'm not dismissing your experience but the green vs blue bubbles do make a big difference for many of us.

Re: Eddy Cue wanted to bring iMessage to Android in 2013

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Post by vmception »

musingsole wrote: post #5
vmception wrote: post #3

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Agreed. They could probably monetize that better than hardware sales too, most likely via Apple Wallet payments and data. And the whole blue/green bubble pretentiousness would have never happened, which is funny because so many Android users still have no idea that's even happening to them or just assume they don't need to care about anybody that cares about that. (protip: its affecting your life and relationships)

I quite literally don't need to care about the blue bubble nonsense. It's a great flag for a person I can happily ignore.

"Does the person appear disconnected from family, friends, community organizations, or houses of worship?"

https://www.dhs.gov/blue-campaign/indicators-human-trafficki...

Re: Eddy Cue wanted to bring iMessage to Android in 2013

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Post by jonp888 »

afavour wrote: post #13
musingsole wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I quite literally don't need to care about the blue bubble nonsense. It's a great flag for a person I can happily ignore.

I have a family, small children, relatives. Grandparents loves to see videos of their grandchildren. Sharing a video via group MMS is fraught with problems, it often doesn't work, or the resolution is garbage. iMessage works every time. I'm not dismissing your experience but the green vs blue bubbles do make a big difference for many of us.

There are many popular messaging applications(Signal/Telegram/WhatsApp) that are cross platform and handle multimedia content well. This is what is used outside of the US.

Re: Eddy Cue wanted to bring iMessage to Android in 2013

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Post by vmception »

llampx wrote: post #8
vmception wrote: post #3

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Agreed. They could probably monetize that better than hardware sales too, most likely via Apple Wallet payments and data. And the whole blue/green bubble pretentiousness would have never happened, which is funny because so many Android users still have no idea that's even happening to them or just assume they don't need to care about anybody that cares about that. (protip: its affecting your life and relationships)

The bubble is a US thing primarily. Not because Americans are uniquely prone to it, but because iPhones are not as common outside of the US. But don't worry non-Americans, people are judging you on the basis of how you dress, eat, walk and talk and deciding silently whether to let you in their social circle or not.

Yes and WhatsApp is not as popular in the US, with messaging being very fragmented between a variety of other Facebook products.

Re: Eddy Cue wanted to bring iMessage to Android in 2013

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Post by decafninja »

I feel like I'm the only iPhone user that barely makes use of iMessage. All my chat communications is done via Google Hangouts (or whatever they call it these days), WhatsApp, or Kakao (I'm Korean). I think I have exactly one friend who I use iMessage with.

Then again, half my friends are Android users, so...

Re: Eddy Cue wanted to bring iMessage to Android in 2013

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Post by draw_down »

exabrial wrote: post #2

They would have captured 100% of the messaging market. Reminds me of '90s *Nix companies with sales bros wanting to sling around overpriced hardware, preventing expansion of the company in other fronts.

Gee, that sounds an awful lot like a monopoly to me. Not sure why we as consumers would want that.

Not sure why as a business they would want to take away a major selling point for their actual product, which is not a free messaging service.

Re: Eddy Cue wanted to bring iMessage to Android in 2013

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Post by afavour »

jonp888 wrote: post #16
afavour wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I have a family, small children, relatives. Grandparents loves to see videos of their grandchildren. Sharing a video via group MMS is fraught with problems, it often doesn't work, or the resolution is garbage. iMessage works every time. I'm not dismissing your experience but the green vs blue bubbles do make a big difference for many of us.

There are many popular messaging applications(Signal/Telegram/WhatsApp) that are cross platform and handle multimedia content well. This is what is used outside of the US.

I'm very aware of that.

Convincing an entire extended family to switch app is not simple. Making sure they are all set up with an alternative messaging app is not simple. Getting them to remember to use it with your specific chat while they use the default app for other conversations is not simple. Using an iPhone is simple.

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