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Apple's follow-up to M1 chip goes into mass production for Mac

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Post by bartvk »

asciimov wrote: post #113
solarkraft wrote: post #89

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I use a 55" 4K Samsung TV as a monitor. It cold boots quickly and has no latency or subsampling issues in the right mode. I can recommend it as a more cost effective alternative to multiple monitors. The amount of available screen space at 1:1 is refreshing (not as crazy as imagined though), but it makes me realize how grainy "normal" monitors are. In some years 8K TVs might be cheap enough for an upgrade, but on tha…

How far back do you sit from this monitor? Do you use resolution scaling? The last time I tried a large format display, I couldn't move back far enough to make it work but I really loved working in 4k without scaling.

I have the same setup, no resolution scaling on macOS. And also, like the parent you replied to, sit about 70 cm (28 inches) from my display.

It's so big that I actually don't sit in the middle but to the left of the display. I use the right of the display as a second monitor.

As an aside, I have the Philips Momentum (model 436M6VBPAB) which is sold as a monitor but can double as a TV. It has HDR, which is very nice in a light office. I suspect it is no longer produced in any significant quantities. The price has been going up.

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Post by bartvk »

sixothree wrote: post #282
solarkraft wrote: post #188

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Currently around 70cm due to the size of my desk, but I'd like to eventually move back to something around 120 eventually, as that's what provides maximal comfort.

I have the exact same setup as you (samsung 55) and my monitor is 76 cm from the front of my desk.

Are you saying it's a 55" display?

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Post by bartvk »

ticviking wrote: post #319
bhouston wrote: post #77

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I would prefer just one 6K or 8K monitor personally at a size of say 55" with a wide ratio. Simpler setup. No post in the middle. Something like this but bigger with higher resolution, and maybe a bit more height vertically (this one is a bit too wide for its height in my opinion): https://www.samsung.com/ca/monitors/gaming/super-ultra-wide-... I think that dual 4K is the old way, single 6K/8K ultra wides are the fut…

Only if I can have a nice tiling WM. I work on mac all day and on my 1440p widescreen I am constantly trying to put stuff so I can use everything I want to at the same time. `[Code|App|Docs]` is so common we ought to be able to split a wide screen 3 ways the way we do a normal 2.

Rectangle was mentioned, but I'm currently using Amethyst: https://github.com/ianyh/Amethyst It was recommended to me here on HN, and it's been very, very nice.

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Post by volta83 »

Pulcinella wrote: post #143
volta83 wrote: post #117

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> Still I can’t see Apple only developing one integrated GPU per year unless they somehow figure out how to magically make them somewhat approach Nvidia and AMDs modern chips. What would the ARM Mac Pro use? What do mac users need a beefy gpu for? AFAICT apple just need a GPU that's good enough for most users not to complain, integrated Intel-GPU style.

What I said in before, 3D rendering (and video processing and anything else you might want a powerful GPU for).

Do people do 3D rendering on macs ? (there are no GPUs available with hardware raytracing support...)

Most people I know doing 3D rendering nowadays just connect their UI to a remote rendering farm. So a Macbook Air would be more than enough for that.

For video processing you don't need 3D rendering capabilities, just hardware acceleration for the video formats you are using.

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Post by inDigiNeous »

heipei wrote: post #431
inDigiNeous wrote: post #409

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This idea that Electron apps are inherently somehow slow is starting to bug me out. While writing Electron version of our graphics heavy web application, I noticed that the memory usage or CPU consumption is not a lot higher than some other native applications. We have taken careful care in order to write fast and memory friendly javascript if possible, avoiding using slow features of the language (the list is long,…

I'm a self-taught JavaScript developer (front- and back-end) and I would love to read such a blog post. I mostly use language features for their expressiveness (map, filter, forEach) and rarely think about their performance implication unless there is reason to believe some piece of code is in a performance-critical path. However with a guide I might reconsider some scenarios where I'd be willing to give up expressiv…

Thanks for the encouragement. I will look into this more and write a blog post about, it is actually something I wanted to do for some time now, I'll make sure to post it to HN also and report what we have found ..

We have been developing this application since 2011 already, and I also develop in C++ and 3D graphics, so performance has been something I've had to think.

But yeah, there are many guides on what to avoid in JS already, how to optimize for speed and memory. But it is not definitely an easy thing to realize, as it's not inherently visible what can be slow and what not. Most blog posts at this time talk about how to optimize for the V8, and I'm not really interested in that so much, as it can be taunting to try to understand how V8 works for example.

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Post by dmayle »

solarkraft wrote: post #89
bhouston wrote: post #77

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I would prefer just one 6K or 8K monitor personally at a size of say 55" with a wide ratio. Simpler setup. No post in the middle. Something like this but bigger with higher resolution, and maybe a bit more height vertically (this one is a bit too wide for its height in my opinion): https://www.samsung.com/ca/monitors/gaming/super-ultra-wide-... I think that dual 4K is the old way, single 6K/8K ultra wides are the fut…

I use a 55" 4K Samsung TV as a monitor. It cold boots quickly and has no latency or subsampling issues in the right mode. I can recommend it as a more cost effective alternative to multiple monitors. The amount of available screen space at 1:1 is refreshing (not as crazy as imagined though), but it makes me realize how grainy "normal" monitors are. In some years 8K TVs might be cheap enough for an upgrade, but on tha…

How do you think you would feel about 65" vs 55"? I've been using dual 39" 4k monitors (no longer available on the market), and when I replace them I want to go to a single 55" or 65". The current area in square inches is almost identical to a single 55", so at 65" I think I need to lower the screen in order to have full visibility.

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Post by inDigiNeous »

Klonoar wrote: post #526
inDigiNeous wrote: post #409

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This idea that Electron apps are inherently somehow slow is starting to bug me out. While writing Electron version of our graphics heavy web application, I noticed that the memory usage or CPU consumption is not a lot higher than some other native applications. We have taken careful care in order to write fast and memory friendly javascript if possible, avoiding using slow features of the language (the list is long,…

You're not wrong, but at the same time, if 99% of Electron applications are slow, then I have no problem calling Electron (as a movement, not a technology) slow. It is also pretty evident that default Chromium itself is a complete battery slog. You can make an Electron app not slow/a battery hog, but it requires working backwards from a state of "what on earth is going on under the hood here". This is the inverse of…

Yeah it's true. Of course native code will perform by default faster and be more battery friendly, but V8 is also very optimized and can perform easily like 80% of native speeds if given some thought.

Yeah many people do not just have the time to look into this, and most companies don't really care, as we have so much RAM and CPU power these days, so I can see why for example many messaging apps just choose to write their app in Electron, instead of trying to figure out how to do it natively cross-platform, which can be a more PITA especially when you also have web as a platform.

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Post by inDigiNeous »

N1H1L wrote: post #442
inDigiNeous wrote: post #409

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This idea that Electron apps are inherently somehow slow is starting to bug me out. While writing Electron version of our graphics heavy web application, I noticed that the memory usage or CPU consumption is not a lot higher than some other native applications. We have taken careful care in order to write fast and memory friendly javascript if possible, avoiding using slow features of the language (the list is long,…

Please write the blog post and share it to HN. I would really look forward to reading it and learning from it.

Thanks. I will :)

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Post by Corrado »

qbasic_forever wrote: post #256
kumarvvr wrote: post #156

Somewhere, the collective whos who of the silicon chip world is shitting their pants. Apple just showed to the world how powerful and efficient processors can be. All that with good design. Customers are going to demand more from Intel and the likes. Just imagine Apple releasing the Mx chips for server infrastructure. Intel ought to be sweating bullets now. edit: a word.

Amazon's Graviton 2 is the M1 of the server world in my experience. It's faster, cheaper, and overall a better experience than any other instance type for most workloads. You have to get through a bit of a learning curve with multiarch or cross-compiling to ARM64 depending on what your codebase is like, but after that it's smooth sailing. Azure and Google need to really step up and get some competitive (or even any)…

As the primary AWS guy in our company I'm pushing for all our developers to get M1 macs ASAP. When that happens we'll start building/testing on ARM systems and I'll transition all of our EC2 stuff over to Graviton processors. I've already moved several systems over to t4g instance types and we are saving $100's per month.

Bonus! This makes performance review time super easy; you've saved the company thousands of dollars this year, how about a raise?!

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Post by merdadicapra »

jhayward wrote: post #461
merdadicapra wrote: post #183

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1 - Apple is not going to enter the server market ever again, especially not the generalist cloud infrastructure 2 - 90% of the laptops sold Worldwide aren't Apple laptops, most of them are sub $500 laptops. Amazon best selling is ASUS Laptop L210 Ultra Thin Laptop, 11.6” HD Display, Intel Celeron N4020 Processor, 4GB RAM, 64GB Storage priced at $199 Basically only Mac users who upgraded to M1 are going to notice the…

> 2 - 90% of the laptops sold Worldwide aren't Apple laptops, This is perhaps the wrong metric to look at. What % of total profit is Apple capturing? Several years ago the accepted wisdom in phones was that Apple was getting ~30% of the unit volume and 90% of the profit.

> What % of total profit is Apple capturing?

Worldwide 9.6%.

I rounded it at 10%.

> Apple achieved a global desktop/laptop market share of 9.6% and ranked fourth behind Lenovo, HP, and Dell. In the United States, Apple accounts for 12.7% of the PC market

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