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My experience with sexual harassment in the Scala community

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Re: My experience with sexual harassment in the Scala community

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Post by PaulDavisThe1st »

mirekrusin wrote: post #25
fabian2k wrote: post #13

The "share an AirBnB to be able to afford the conference" part seems particularly damning to me. That seems entirely premeditated and predatory.

"seems" doesn't mean "is", we have law systems to deal with those kind of issues. Judges are for determining where the line between "shitty partner" vs "rapist" lies.

The author doesn't appear to want to make the claim that Mr. Pretty raped her. She suggests, strongly, that he's a shitty person. She wants other people to know this. Courts don't adjudicate such matters, unless they have further consequences.

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Post by eloff »

indymike wrote: post #123
eloff wrote: post #36

> I don’t remember how much I drank. I don’t remember him drinking. But I remember feeling uncomfortable when he made advances on me. I felt being taken advantage of that he had unprotected sex with me when I was intoxicated. Nothing felt right. I remember panicking and crying. I don't want to victim blame here because this guy sounds like a grade A creep and predator. But does a person not have some responsibility h…

Would it be ok for the guy to get her drunk, then go to an ATM and talk her into emptying out a bank account?

Strawman argument.

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Post by nawgz »

suifbwish wrote: post #291
nawgz wrote: post #267

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There are plenty of stories of law enforcement ignoring, downplaying, and even harassing victims of sexual crimes who try to report it. Please do not act like the police are a high trust authority who act only in good faith - we have overwhelmingly seen the other side of that in these past years.

There are also plenty of stories of the legal system working as intended. You can create any narrative you want from selectively paying attention to data.

Yes, sure. Instead, by holistically paying attention to data, we can see that rape is a wildly underprosecuted crime[0], and thus we can stop acting like there are no possible barriers obstructing these victims from justice.

Actually, it’s kind of hilarious when I put it this way... you’re the one selectively looking at the data to justify inaction.

[0]: https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/2018/10/06/less-than...

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Post by morelisp »

js2 wrote: post #113

Yes, of course she should have contacted law enforcement, but she was in a foreign country, intimated and young. And law enforcement still fails women: https://www.rollingstone.com/culture/culture-features/how-po... In an ideal world, the criminal justice system works. In the real world, it's a patchwork system that sometimes works and sometimes doesn't. https://www.washingtonpost.com/arts-entertainment/2019/09/17...…

It was also, disgustingly, probably not legally rape in Germany at that time. (Or only recently so.)

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Post by hamburglar »

epicureanideal wrote: post #256
swyx wrote: post #20

similar stories are emerging: - https://killnicole.github.io/statement/ (edit i see she has added it to the article itself) - https://twitter.com/brianclapper/status/1387115214064193537?... - https://twitter.com/adelbertchang/status/1387090351626723329... there seems to be some coordination here, as this came out pretty much at the same time. https://typelevel.org/blog/2021/04/27/community-safety.html Yifan also link…

Sometimes character assassination is coordinated. I personally only slightly increase the probability of something being true when multiple accusers come forward. I still want to see proof. What if a bunch of your ex-girlfriends or ex-boyfriends got together and decided to ruin your life with accusations?

If a bunch of my ex-girlfriends coordinated a character assassination campaign against me I would probably be forced to consider that maybe I’m an asshole.

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Post by ummonk »

dbg31415 wrote: post #288
js2 wrote: post #113

Yes, of course she should have contacted law enforcement, but she was in a foreign country, intimated and young. And law enforcement still fails women: https://www.rollingstone.com/culture/culture-features/how-po... In an ideal world, the criminal justice system works. In the real world, it's a patchwork system that sometimes works and sometimes doesn't. https://www.washingtonpost.com/arts-entertainment/2019/09/17...…

It's not that I don't believe her. It's just such a slippery slope. This is vigilantism -- the same as if you went out and shot a guy who stole your wallet. We don't trust victims of crimes to dole out punishments. Justice is tempered by due process, checks and balances, proportional response, all that. So I believe her, but I don't think the world is a better place when people use this approach to conflict resolutio…

If you think ostracizing someone and removing him from positions of influence is equivalent to shooting him, I don’t know what to say to you.

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Post by dimgl »

tracer4201 wrote: post #21

Not to discount her story or what happened to her, but I’d be interested to hear his side of the story. I know nothing about this other than this one article, but I do know someone who committed suicide after a false rape accusation that stuck even after the accuser admitted to making it all up.

I’m not sure why you’re getting downvoted. Why shouldn’t we hear what he has to say?

That being said, he’s already said he’s not going to be saying much on the matter.

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Post by suifbwish »

lukasb wrote: post #180
chmod600 wrote: post #159

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"The problem is that only a tiny percentage of harassers and rapists are ever convicted." How can that be known? Why do you presume that someone is a harasser or rapist if they weren't convicted?

Less than 1% of rapes lead to felony convictions: https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/2018/10/06/less-than... Same article notes that between 2-8% of rape complaints are false. Worries about false rape claims are wildly overblown.

The article notes that 2-8% of rape cases are PROVEN false. The real number is definitely higher than that as people do go to prison under wrongful conviction. Bottom line is if you don’t have compelling evidence for a crime you don’t have a case. That’s a good thing as it protects us from unjust punishment most of the time. It’s real sad that victims that can’t prove their case don’t have justice but it’s much more important that the innocent are not wrongfully punished.
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