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‘Insanely cheap energy’: solar power continues to shock the world

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Is there a way to invest directly in solar to offset your personal use, without installing it directly on your house/land? My existing house isn’t particularly suitable from a cost perspective to install solar on (clay tile roof, a good 20 years left at least). I also don’t really want to manage an installation project, nor own the maintenance and risk. But I would pay to directly offset my consumption. Something lik…

At this point probably just keep paying your electric bill, as most utilities are expanding their commercial solar as a portion of their generation capacity.

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post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

My house in California is peaking around 70kWh this time of year (April, 14kw system), well more than we're using. I can charge my tesla during the day and still be exporting to the grid. Most afternoons my house is probably powering every house on my street.

How much was your system?

I actually talked about this in a previous comment:

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25283461

Re: ‘Insanely cheap energy’: solar power continues to shock the world

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Is there a way to invest directly in solar to offset your personal use, without installing it directly on your house/land? My existing house isn’t particularly suitable from a cost perspective to install solar on (clay tile roof, a good 20 years left at least). I also don’t really want to manage an installation project, nor own the maintenance and risk. But I would pay to directly offset my consumption. Something lik…

Something like this would be perfect for Australia. There is so much empty land getting baked by the sun all year round. People in apts may not be able to have their own installed but they could buy x kw worth in the middle of the country.

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> "[in 2000] Shi agreed and ended up settling in the small city of Wuxi" A bit of a tangent, but it’s always strange to me when people describe Chinese or Indian cities with millions of residents as "small". Wuxi had >1 million people in 2000, and today has like 3.5 million (6.5 million in the prefecture). This article makes it sound like a minor town in a remote province, but Jiangsu has about the same population as…

Small and big are relative descriptions, not absolute. Jiangsu province is small compared to the major Chinese metropolitan areas. Comparing cities to world regions is rarely done.

Also I think many people would say Birmingham, England is small. Why? It isn't London.

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post #9

All this energy ! Can't be stored (don't tell me about lithium, please do the math…), and it's not there at night.

I think aluminum batteries are coming along nicely in that area of battery tech and they have a very large capacity. The problem with aluminum has always been high energy costs to produce. So you can store the energy in the aluminum itself by using it to produce Aluminum for use in batteries.

Aluminum battery stations could replace gas stations.

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#106
One thought around all this is that irregular power costs could increase the incentive for appliances that consume electricity during the day and give it off at night - refrigerator freezing huge chunks of ice, large hot water tanks, larger batteries for drills or laptops.

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#107

This is why pushing for free markets is the most effective solution for combating fossil fuel dependencies.

Why not go faster with subsidies?

Which is what most of the world did and what got us to this point.

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post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Fusion power you can install on your roof. Throw in a little storage and a decent climate and the power companies are on track to be thoroughly screwed.

> power companies are on track to be thoroughly screwed. I have a hard time making sense of this. I log into HN and see comment after comment about how solar is taking over, then I read articles like this[0], that state that countries heavily invested in renewables, like wind a solar, are going backwards . They are now trying to label natural gas as "green investment" in Germany, otherwise they won't have energy capa…

The power-companies-are-screwed story is a bit oversold. The cheapest solar power comes from large solar farms, exactly the sort of thing power companies themselves build and operate. Smaller distributed solar units are a big financial winner in the following circumstances:

- If retail electricity prices are moderate/high and excess solar power generation gets a net metering credit. I don't think that this will remain common as solar penetration increases, but some early adopters in different regions will be able to take advantage.

- If the electrical companies invested too much in transmission and distribution infrastructure and are now making up for it with high prices per kilowatt hour. This describes the Australian rooftop solar boom and at least parts of California. Note that this can be a financial winner even without retail-priced net metering; you're just thrifting on how much overpriced electricity you buy from the power company.

- If the location is far from the existing grid and you're expected to pay to build the intervening connection yourself. Solar plus batteries, even with today's relatively high battery prices, can beat the cost of building that connection.

Mostly I expect power companies to survive the rise of solar power just fine. Most solar generation will come from large facilities owned by large companies, not household rooftop units. The over-representation of small rooftop solar units in Germany has contributed to the high cost of their energy transition. I see the German policy decisions favoring small solar units as a carrot used to ensure broad population support for solar power. Maybe it was politically necessary. But the generating costs would be lower had they favored fewer, larger installations.

Re: ‘Insanely cheap energy’: solar power continues to shock the world

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> "[in 2000] Shi agreed and ended up settling in the small city of Wuxi" A bit of a tangent, but it’s always strange to me when people describe Chinese or Indian cities with millions of residents as "small". Wuxi had >1 million people in 2000, and today has like 3.5 million (6.5 million in the prefecture). This article makes it sound like a minor town in a remote province, but Jiangsu has about the same population as…

That's probably how the Chinese refer to it?

You can also interpret it as meaning "insignificant". A poor city with the same population as London has a much lower profile.

Re: ‘Insanely cheap energy’: solar power continues to shock the world

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post #102

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How much was your system?

I actually talked about this in a previous comment: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25283461

>> Of that $15k, $4.3k was for the panels themselves, $2k for the inverter, $1k for mounting hardware, and $8k for installation.

What about on-site battery?

In any case, $15k is still a bit too steep for me, not because I can't afford it but because I want something that'll pay for itself in less than 5 years. My electricity bill is about $150/mo. so a solar roof doesn't make sense financially, even if I'm able to sell the excess to the grid.

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