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I guess it's US only? Can't access from EU.
Confirmed, can't access it from Canada, but with a VPN to the US, it's available. Who makes these choices?
It’s similar to the BBC blocking non-UK streamers.
Newark cops, with reform, didn't fire a single shot in 2020
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Re: Newark cops, with reform, didn't fire a single shot in 2020
#62Earlier quoted context omitted.
This is the most pathetic attempt to lie with statistics I have seen all week, congrats! JFC, can you not even be bothered to read the stat you tried to pick to prove your point? The rate according to data you provided was 20.3/100k. The murder rate is proportional to population density across the country as a general rule, so the 'US average' is a bullshit stat to try to use for comparison with a large city. If you…
Why reply like with insults like this ("pathetic", etc), and most of all, why did people flag the comment? Assuming your own stats are correct, you refuted his comment really well, and using abusive language only diminishes your response. If HN is going to actually engage in these political debates (and I question whether it's wise to do so for the community), then people are going to have to stop flagging comments t…
It's not a different belief, it was a flat out lie and spreading of misinformation, their own source doesn't even back them up. Stop pushing a narrative that misinformation should be "equally considered" or is "just another point of view".
Re: Newark cops, with reform, didn't fire a single shot in 2020
#63Earlier quoted context omitted.
>Newark PD still arrests Black people at a much much higher rate than white people. And if it's the case that people in the city's black community are committing arrestable offenses (however stupid some definitions of what is an offense for which you can be arrested and charged with for are), then what should the department do? Not arrest people for doing things it's been ordered to arrest people for doing just becau…
> Not arrest people for doing things it's been ordered to arrest people for doing Yes. No one’s ordered police to focus on anyone one kind of crime. Police in America have total discretion to choose which laws they enforce and which they don’t. In Arizona you can get six months in jail for spitting in a public park, but you don’t see Arizona cops trying to arrest everyone for that. It’s a federal crime to let your do…
> It’s a federal crime to let your dog bark in a National Park but the park police don’t really care.
The regulation (36 CFR § 2.15) says it is prohibited to take pets to any “area closed to the possession of pets”, or to “[allow] a pet to make noise that is unreasonable considering location, time of day or night, impact on park users, and other relevant factors, or that frightens wildlife”. It is entirely reasonable to have this written down, so that it can be enforced if necessary.
The presence of dogs has a significant impact on the behavior of wild animals, and park rangers absolutely do care if you bring your dog to areas of a National Park where it should not be, or if your dog is incessantly barking or howling in areas of the park where it is a nuisance. They will walk up to you and tell you to take your dog directly back to your car, or tell you to shut your dog up or leave.
If you refuse to follow directions / give them a hard time about it, this regulation gives them authority to take further action, including charging a fine etc.
Re: Newark cops, with reform, didn't fire a single shot in 2020
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focus on marijuana possession NJ recently legalized weed, so pretty soon those arrests won't be an issue.
Except see Chicago, where its also legal, and arresting black people for marijuana related crimes continues unabated. https://www.chicagotribune.com/news/breaking/ct-marijuana-le...
”Most arrests involve possessing or attempting to sell amounts over the legal limit of 30 grams.
I mean, they are breaking the new marijuana laws. Is this wrong? If I try and make my own moonshine and sell it I’ll go to jail too.
Re: Newark cops, with reform, didn't fire a single shot in 2020
#65Earlier quoted context omitted.
focus on marijuana possession NJ recently legalized weed, so pretty soon those arrests won't be an issue.
Except see Chicago, where its also legal, and arresting black people for marijuana related crimes continues unabated. https://www.chicagotribune.com/news/breaking/ct-marijuana-le...
> Black and brown people are left out of the windfall and continue to be arrested for selling weed illegally.
I would hazard a guess that if they were instead selling bootlegged booze illegally they would also be arrested. I’m not clear what point you’re trying to make.
Re: Newark cops, with reform, didn't fire a single shot in 2020
#66Earlier quoted context omitted.
>Newark PD still arrests Black people at a much much higher rate than white people. And if it's the case that people in the city's black community are committing arrestable offenses (however stupid some definitions of what is an offense for which you can be arrested and charged with for are), then what should the department do? Not arrest people for doing things it's been ordered to arrest people for doing just becau…
What a disgusting and false comment https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/factcheck/2020/09/29/fac... - Rates of white-on-white and Black-on-Black homicide are similar, at around 80% and 90% - Rates of Black-on-white and white-on-Black homicide also within 8 points - Police kill Black people at disproportionate rates
Those stats don't say what you think they say. Those show that white people are no more likely to kill black people than black people are to kill white people. They do not say that black people are no more likely to kill someone.
Re: Newark cops, with reform, didn't fire a single shot in 2020
#67I think this only addresses half of what's wrong with Newark PD. Newark still spends about a third of it's city budget on police, at the expense of essential services like infrastructure and education. Newark PD still arrests Black people at a much much higher rate than white people. The disparity of arrest rates is even greater when it comes to drug possession.
I was surprised to learn that overall, the U.S. spends about 0.8% of GDP on policing, which places it in about the middle of OECD countries. https://www.cfr.org/backgrounder/how-police-compare-differen... Budget seems like the least of our problems in fixing U.S. policing, though I recognize in some cities it may be more of a problem than others. The biggest problem seems to be the huge amount of resistance from poli…
>which places it in about the middle of OECD countries
This means we're not spending enough on policing because the US's crime is above OECD average.
Re: Newark cops, with reform, didn't fire a single shot in 2020
#68Earlier quoted context omitted.
>Newark PD still arrests Black people at a much much higher rate than white people. And if it's the case that people in the city's black community are committing arrestable offenses (however stupid some definitions of what is an offense for which you can be arrested and charged with for are), then what should the department do? Not arrest people for doing things it's been ordered to arrest people for doing just becau…
What a disgusting and false comment https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/factcheck/2020/09/29/fac... - Rates of white-on-white and Black-on-Black homicide are similar, at around 80% and 90% - Rates of Black-on-white and white-on-Black homicide also within 8 points - Police kill Black people at disproportionate rates
I think the article uses an odd way to frame it. To me, a rate should be measured in "people per year" or "people per year normalized by population size". Meanwhile the article is using the word "rate" to refer to what is actually the ratio between two different rates.
The FBI stats seem to back up the above commenter (however one would expect policing biases to be reflected in their statistics). If you compare a random white person[1] and a random black person, the black person is ~5x more likely to be murdered by someone of the same race[2]. Even though the absolute number of murders is about the same, the population sizes are very different, which lines up with one group being disproportionately represented in arrests[3]
1: It's worth noting that the FBI stats lump most Hispanic/Latino people under 'white', I'm not sure if the numbers would look different if you used the colloquial definition of 'white'
2: 0.001% chance of being murdered per year vs a .006% chance
3: If anything I think that's proof of of institutional racism's impact. I'm guessing the disparity is really just showing income inequality
Re: Newark cops, with reform, didn't fire a single shot in 2020
#69Good for Newark! But, from what I understand, they gave the cops better training and got better result. That is how education works.
NJ is decent. We had one small issue of police violence during the large BLM protests. Compared to NY...
Re: Newark cops, with reform, didn't fire a single shot in 2020
#70While the crime rate has been going down since 2013, Newark still has a murder rate of 57 per 100,000 while the US average is 5 per 100,000. Perhaps their policing model should not be copied. http://www.city-data.com/crime/crime-Newark-New-Jersey.html#
This is the most pathetic attempt to lie with statistics I have seen all week, congrats! JFC, can you not even be bothered to read the stat you tried to pick to prove your point? The rate according to data you provided was 20.3/100k. The murder rate is proportional to population density across the country as a general rule, so the 'US average' is a bullshit stat to try to use for comparison with a large city. If you…
I appreciate the clarification. I do find it interesting that population density is a factor for understanding these rates over time.
Pardon my ignorance, as I am just trying to understand this (not my field of expertise). What is the relationship with violent crime rates and population density? That seems to be an important factor in this that isn’t getting highlighted enough. Are we jamming too many people into a small area?
I am asking because I am from a large city. I moved outside of the metro area years ago for work and found it to be refreshing, even though I first hated it and found myself stereotyping these people as ignorant bumpkins. After I got over my initial prejudice (not something I am proud to have felt), this place is more home than any place I’ve ever lived.
It’s an anecdote, but I have experienced a major benefit to living in a place where humans aren’t stacked on top of each other like factory-farmed chickens. I’ve never been put in a position to have to fight for my life out here. Could population density be a factor for increased crime rates? Could we help people by spreading them out a little bit and giving them space to live their lives? Access to nature, etc. Is this a housing problem? I think that more people could move out of the cities if we broke down the stereotypes and made sure to enforce equal housing rights.
This has kind of been a pet theory of mine but, again, I am no expert in this field and I only bring it up here to see what people with better info think about it.