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CDC panel recommends resuming use of Johnson and Johnson vaccine

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Re: CDC panel recommends resuming use of Johnson and Johnson vaccine

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Post by void_mint »

neither_color wrote: post #22
jdavis703 wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No one is being forced to take vaccines. It’s already announced there will be no federal vaccine passport, and many states are banning passports.

Domestically that's the case but if you have(had) to travel abroad often for work or family reasons that won't be the case. I regularly(used to) visit and have family ties to a country that allows vaccine records in lieu of negative tests for entry. I'd say that's reasonable. https://www.traveloffpath.com/countries-open-for-vaccinated-...

Right, but are you seeing how allowing vaccine records in lieu of other documentation is not the same as requiring vaccination?

Re: CDC panel recommends resuming use of Johnson and Johnson vaccine

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Post by mancerayder »

Pausing like that causes, not prevents, vaccine skepticism. In an era of declining public trust of institutions (across both political aisles, even if unequally), I argue this pause was poor politics. Science doesn't enter much into it, unfortunately.

Re: CDC panel recommends resuming use of Johnson and Johnson vaccine

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Post by void_mint »

option wrote: post #18
jdavis703 wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No one is being forced to take vaccines. It’s already announced there will be no federal vaccine passport, and many states are banning passports.

at least here, in California, you can not chose which one you get when making the appointment or when arriving at the vaccination site. Also CSU and UC will require vaccinations for return to on-campus. (Though I'm not sure that they will be able to do so until vaccines are under "emergency use" authorization, not a regular one)

It's true that you can't choose, but lots of places are listing what vaccines they're doing on specific days. You can "choose" by booking an appointment at a location that has the one you want, or by avoiding locations that have ones you don't want.

As an example, I booked my appointment specifically at a location that only carried Pfizer.

Re: CDC panel recommends resuming use of Johnson and Johnson vaccine

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Post by raphlinus »

joshgachnang wrote: post #12
passivate wrote: post #9

This is great news! I'm holding out for the J&J shot myself :) I find it to be a better product than the others.

Can you explain why you think it's a better product? Genuinely curious as I haven't done much comparison myself.

Speaking for myself (team J&J), single dose is definitely more convenient. Anecdotally, reactions seem to be less severe than for the mRNA vaccines. And, while it's only a minor speed bump to our gold-plated healthcare delivery system, the fact that it doesn't need an extreme cold chain means it's logistically much easier to handle.

Re: CDC panel recommends resuming use of Johnson and Johnson vaccine

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Post by ibejoeb »

elliekelly wrote: post #20
andrew_v4 wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think it's a direct consequence of media and government trying to remove free will from the equation and present taking the vaccine as the only choice people have. If you're going to essentially force people to do it, a statistically meaningless side-effect becomes more important as reason for people to push back (and the media to drum up false fears). If you treat people like adults and let them consult their doct…

> So my point is, I think demand would be higher and concerns lower if you just made it available and let people make their own choice. That's already how it works, though. Everyone is free to decide for themselves whether or not they'd like to be vaccinated.

To an extent. Presently, you won't be thrown in jail if you don't get it. But you can't go to NYU. You can't go to a wedding. You can't go to a concert, or a football game, you can't fly Qantas...

Re: CDC panel recommends resuming use of Johnson and Johnson vaccine

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Post by ForHackernews »

neither_color wrote: post #22
jdavis703 wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No one is being forced to take vaccines. It’s already announced there will be no federal vaccine passport, and many states are banning passports.

Domestically that's the case but if you have(had) to travel abroad often for work or family reasons that won't be the case. I regularly(used to) visit and have family ties to a country that allows vaccine records in lieu of negative tests for entry. I'd say that's reasonable. https://www.traveloffpath.com/countries-open-for-vaccinated-...

You mean you'll have to fulfil certain legal requirements in order to be permitted entry to a foreign country? Surely that's unprecedented!

Re: CDC panel recommends resuming use of Johnson and Johnson vaccine

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Post by void_mint »

sjm wrote: post #5

Just makes sense. The benefits far outweigh the risks at six cases of blood clots out of over 6.8 million doses, especially when there's a high risk of blood clots following COVID-19 hospitalization. Not to mention rates of blood clots caused by the pill are more like 1 in 3000. Hopefully if anything the pause has shown anti-vax folks that the safety of these vaccines is being taken seriously.

> Hopefully if anything the pause has shown anti-vax folks that the safety of these vaccines is being taken seriously.

The anti vaxx community is uninterested in science. This won't change anything.

Re: CDC panel recommends resuming use of Johnson and Johnson vaccine

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Post by thrower123 »

shadowofneptune wrote: post #29
ardit33 wrote: post #2

Damage is done... NYC saw a drop in vaccine appointments right after the original ban on J&J happen. They could have issued a warning first, with the group ages/sex that they were seeing the clots (it was mostly women). Now they are scaring the 'indecisive' part of the population, and just making sure the pandemic will keep going. Both the CDC and the FDA have completely dropped the ball during this pandemic. They ar…

Vaccines take multiple years to develop normally. How much faster can you get for vaccine development? I certainly did not expect there to be more than one, or any, good options for vaccination by the beginning of this year. The trials also helped make it clear that the Pfizer–BionTech and Moderna vaccines were safe, something that will help convince people to take the vaccine in the long term.

The rapidity of vaccine development is one of those things that makes me look at the lab-leak hypothesis and raise an eyebrow exaggeratedly.

Re: CDC panel recommends resuming use of Johnson and Johnson vaccine

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Post by decafninja »

passivate wrote: post #9

This is great news! I'm holding out for the J&J shot myself :) I find it to be a better product than the others.

I'm the opposite. I was sort of resigned to getting the J&J but was hoping for the Pfizer. My wife got an appointment before I did and did get the J&J.

Then this clotting news happened, and I subsequently got my appointment - Pfizer. So I guess I got what I wanted.

My wife is perfectly fine though, no side effects. If given the J&J vaccine, I would have taken it too.

Re: CDC panel recommends resuming use of Johnson and Johnson vaccine

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Post by option »

void_mint wrote: post #33
option wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

at least here, in California, you can not chose which one you get when making the appointment or when arriving at the vaccination site. Also CSU and UC will require vaccinations for return to on-campus. (Though I'm not sure that they will be able to do so until vaccines are under "emergency use" authorization, not a regular one)

It's true that you can't choose, but lots of places are listing what vaccines they're doing on specific days. You can "choose" by booking an appointment at a location that has the one you want, or by avoiding locations that have ones you don't want. As an example, I booked my appointment specifically at a location that only carried Pfizer.

yeah, when I went (and got Moderna), I saw many people (who booked the appointment) asking staff "Is it Pfizer" and leaving when the answer was No.
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