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CDC panel recommends resuming use of Johnson and Johnson vaccine

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Re: CDC panel recommends resuming use of Johnson and Johnson vaccine

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think it's a direct consequence of media and government trying to remove free will from the equation and present taking the vaccine as the only choice people have. If you're going to essentially force people to do it, a statistically meaningless side-effect becomes more important as reason for people to push back (and the media to drum up false fears). If you treat people like adults and let them consult their doct…

No one is being forced to take vaccines. It’s already announced there will be no federal vaccine passport, and many states are banning passports.

Domestically that's the case but if you have(had) to travel abroad often for work or family reasons that won't be the case. I regularly(used to) visit and have family ties to a country that allows vaccine records in lieu of negative tests for entry. I'd say that's reasonable.

https://www.traveloffpath.com/countries-open-for-vaccinated-...

Re: CDC panel recommends resuming use of Johnson and Johnson vaccine

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Damage is done... NYC saw a drop in vaccine appointments right after the original ban on J&J happen. They could have issued a warning first, with the group ages/sex that they were seeing the clots (it was mostly women). Now they are scaring the 'indecisive' part of the population, and just making sure the pandemic will keep going. Both the CDC and the FDA have completely dropped the ball during this pandemic. They ar…

Polling shows that pausing the J&J vaccine did not make people more hesitant to get vaccinated. https://arstechnica.com/science/2021/04/poll-shows-jj-pause-... It might have made the locations and times less convenient, or people might be waiting for a one-shot vaccine.

Re: CDC panel recommends resuming use of Johnson and Johnson vaccine

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This is great news! I'm holding out for the J&J shot myself :) I find it to be a better product than the others.

Can you explain why you think it's a better product? Genuinely curious as I haven't done much comparison myself.

Adenovirus-based vaccines have existed a while, so it is not as new as mRNA vaccines are. That is my reason.

Why the downvotes? it is a legit answer to the OP's question

Re: CDC panel recommends resuming use of Johnson and Johnson vaccine

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Damage is done... NYC saw a drop in vaccine appointments right after the original ban on J&J happen. They could have issued a warning first, with the group ages/sex that they were seeing the clots (it was mostly women). Now they are scaring the 'indecisive' part of the population, and just making sure the pandemic will keep going. Both the CDC and the FDA have completely dropped the ball during this pandemic. They ar…

Doesn't a drop in vaccine appointments make sense given the (presumably) reduced supply of total available vaccines when J&J was paused?

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Just makes sense. The benefits far outweigh the risks at six cases of blood clots out of over 6.8 million doses, especially when there's a high risk of blood clots following COVID-19 hospitalization. Not to mention rates of blood clots caused by the pill are more like 1 in 3000. Hopefully if anything the pause has shown anti-vax folks that the safety of these vaccines is being taken seriously.

It was 6 cases when the pause was announced, but it's up to 15 cases (plus one that J&J went back and found in the phase III data) now that we've had an extra week for cases to develop and reports to come in. I expect that cases will continue to happen, but hopefully patients and doctors will be more prepared to deal with it.

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Just makes sense. The benefits far outweigh the risks at six cases of blood clots out of over 6.8 million doses, especially when there's a high risk of blood clots following COVID-19 hospitalization. Not to mention rates of blood clots caused by the pill are more like 1 in 3000. Hopefully if anything the pause has shown anti-vax folks that the safety of these vaccines is being taken seriously.

>Hopefully if anything the pause has shown anti-vax folks that the safety of these vaccines is being taken seriously. The vast majority of skeptics will not be convinced by this, because their skepticism is not rooted in the science.

Not targeting you on this, just an observation: we should be careful with the terms we use. I don't think "skeptic" or "skepticism" applies to anti-vaxxers.

Re: CDC panel recommends resuming use of Johnson and Johnson vaccine

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Damage is done... NYC saw a drop in vaccine appointments right after the original ban on J&J happen. They could have issued a warning first, with the group ages/sex that they were seeing the clots (it was mostly women). Now they are scaring the 'indecisive' part of the population, and just making sure the pandemic will keep going. Both the CDC and the FDA have completely dropped the ball during this pandemic. They ar…

Vaccines take multiple years to develop normally. How much faster can you get for vaccine development? I certainly did not expect there to be more than one, or any, good options for vaccination by the beginning of this year. The trials also helped make it clear that the Pfizer–BionTech and Moderna vaccines were safe, something that will help convince people to take the vaccine in the long term.

Re: CDC panel recommends resuming use of Johnson and Johnson vaccine

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I just read the linked Axios article, so perhaps there is more in the CDC decision, but seems like it would make the most sense to just recommend against the J&J vaccine for anyone at higher risk of clot (e.g. all 6 of the people who had clots were women of childbearing age). With 3 good vaccines available, seems like there is plenty (or shortly will be plenty) to go around even if the J&J vaccine only goes to those…

God the downvotes on this site piss me off so much. They are SO mindless.

This is what the UK is doing with AstraZeneca, for the exact same problem! Only suggesting it to people over 30! Stop downvoting the suggestion which is literally expert advice!

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