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Apple’s M1 Positioning Mocks the Entire x86 Business Model

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Post by imtringued »

daniellarusso wrote: post #104
ulzeraj wrote: post #89

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Gaming is still x86 territory and that includes 2 of the 3 main competing gaming consoles isn't? Hard to think of a PS5 as legacy stuff.

Is not the majority of gaming occurring on mobile ARM devices, not dedicated consoles or rigs? “Mobile gaming has fast become the largest gaming market in the world with industry revenue expected to hit $76.7 Billion by the end of 2020 and 2.2 million mobile gamers worldwide. It’s become so popular that 72.3% of mobile users in the US are also mobile phone gamers. To put this into perspective when compared with the w…

>Is not the majority of gaming occurring on mobile ARM devices, not dedicated consoles or rigs?

Yes, the "I'm taking a 5 minute toilet break" gaming or the "I'm sitting in a bus and I have nothing else to do" gaming.

It's making money off of whales who like that there is f2p plankton to gobble up.

I played a bunch of mobile games in 2014 and they were all trash or cash grabs. Often with grinds worse than MMORPGs.

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Post by PartiallyTyped »

sto_hristo wrote: post #153

Make it as fabulous as much as you want, $1700 for an 8 core, 8 gigs of ram machine is just one plain fabulous joke. This in the time when 16 gigs ram is the baseline if you plan to do anything more than facebook and instagram.

I don't disagree that 8GiB for $1700 machine is absurd, however, I feel compelled to point out that MacOS is significantly more aggressive with memory compression than other operating systems and they come with blazingly fast SSDs, allowing devices to get away with less available memory.

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Post by NicoJuicy »

While everything wants to be faster. The Apple direction is everything I don't need.

I have a desktop for 1000$, 64 gb DDR3, 512 gb ssd + 1tb hdd, AMD 2600 ( 6 core) and a AMD 380 8gb and I could have gone overboard with the latest CPU and GPU. But I didn't think i needed it ( and after 7 months of usage I still think it was the right decision)...

Either way, I don't think I ever was Apples target audience. And something like an IPad is for consumption, not producing anything.

Ps. Yes, i use it for some gaming and for VR too, but mostly dev.

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Post by ksec »

imtringued wrote: post #159
ksec wrote: post #145

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>The M1 doesn't make sense when its in every darn product. Would you feel better if they called it A14X? It is basically the same thing as what Intel is doing. Same Die, different binning, different naming. Same with Core count on AMD, same die, different binning on Cores and Clock Speed. Apple doesn't bother do any of that because well it is complicated for consumers. I call it TDP Computing. You are limited by the…

>I am waiting to see Apple absolutely max out their SoC approach for Mac Pro. But they already maxed out their SoCs in the benchmarks because Geekbench doesn't care about TDP. The TDP makes a difference in real world performance but not in the benchmarks.

They are only maxed out in Single Thread Performance with its current power designed constrain per Core using current low power node.

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Post by imtringued »

jtbayly wrote: post #24
monkmartinez wrote: post #20

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Creative class is a lot more than programmers. Look at boutique system integrators like Puget Systems... do you see Apple/ARM Hardware? Heck no you don't! These guys sell hardware to a LOT of the companies that comprise the credits in movie production, game production, laboratories, university science departments, ML researchers, big energy, and soooooo much more. These guys are not rewriting their software stack for…

ARM, not Apple. They are not the same thing.

Right now they pretty much are.

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Post by imtringued »

ankurdhama wrote: post #32
outside1234 wrote: post #13

x86 is dead - first in consumer, then in cloud. It is hard to see to me how this ends any other way. The creative class (us) will quickly have largely all ARM computers within 4 years. Its not hard to see from there how software will be even more optimized for ARM variants than x86 and that the scale of both mobile and consumer computing will push x86 out of the datacenter slowly as old software that relies on x86 is…

Only if I can buy a desktop/laptop with a powerful ARM processor and plug-in a bootable usb and install operating system (arm version) of my choice with all drivers etc working fine.

Ok, it's time for the emulation anxiety meme (based on EV range anxiety), will this system emulate this extremely performance intensive x86 game at ultra with 4k graphics at 144hz? If not, then I will not buy it.

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Post by imtringued »

Gaelan wrote: post #48
ankurdhama wrote: post #32

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Only if I can buy a desktop/laptop with a powerful ARM processor and plug-in a bootable usb and install operating system (arm version) of my choice with all drivers etc working fine.

I expect this will be the case with Linux on the M1 in a year or two, given the pace of marcan's work. Windows depends on Microsoft's willingness, of course.

That's an argument against the M1 and ARM dominance.

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Post by iSnow »

sto_hristo wrote: post #153

Make it as fabulous as much as you want, $1700 for an 8 core, 8 gigs of ram machine is just one plain fabulous joke. This in the time when 16 gigs ram is the baseline if you plan to do anything more than facebook and instagram.

I am not sure what the end-game for releasing those under-powered machines is, tbh. I am a bit more extreme in that I am not buying any machine below 32GB given RAM is no longer upgradable, but even if my mom came and asked me about those iMacs, I'd tell her to not buy.

It's a shame that Apple is so great at greenwashing and at the same time spits on every way they could help create truly sustainable products by just dropping a few percent of their bottom line.

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