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Re: The culture war is killing us [video]

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The owner and manger of the The Hill, Jimmy finkelstein, is a friend of Trump's, whose wife held an unpaid position as adviser to Melania trump in 2017-18 ( a fact not mentioned to Hill readers). Given that the outlet publishes a large number of libertarian and conservative op-eds, your claim seems at odds with reality, and is not supported by anything other than vague generalities about demography.

I am not familiar with The Hill, but the segment posted here did not seem to me to be biased one way or the other. Did you find there was something that leaned right/conservative in this specific video?

No, I was just responding to the parent comment.

Re: The culture war is killing us [video]

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Shallow boring and simplified. Not worth your time.

The Hill, like the Observer, used to be a great actual newspaper. The reporting in there was just phenomenal. And then presumably some conservative billionaire took it over and turned it into fox news light. Jared Kushner did the Observer takeover and turned it from something very weird and entertaining and serious and very New York into a directionless soup of trivialities. I used to buy and actually read the physic…

It’s rated as centrist bias: https://www.allsides.com/media-bias/media-bias-chart

From what I’ve seen they make an effort to be balanced. Saagar Enjenti, who appears in this video and is a Republican, regularly presents alongside Krystal Ball, who is a progressive, in this joint show: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rising_(news_show)

Re: The culture war is killing us [video]

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I think moving away from First Past the Post voting systems is a good thing, but it is not the panacea people are hoping it will be. Just because people can vote for viable third parties does not mean that polarization will go down. It’s possible that more parties may increase divisions.

But if no party has the majority, they will be forced to form coalitions on issues to get anything done. As it is now, whatever congress does is basically up to one person, the majority leader/speaker.

Getting things done and specific Congressional actions aren't how people get into emotional arguments and activism, though.

Re: The culture war is killing us [video]

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"All the calls for calm today are exactly the calls for calm they've always been in America -- calls from folks who are not suffering to those who are to just deal with it." Martin Luther King Jr. and the rest of the non-violent Civil Rights movement during the 1960's were calling for calm as they were being beaten, firehosed, attacked with dogs, imprisoned, assasinated and lynched. So I guess you must think they did…

King did not call for calm, in fact often the opposite. Here's a quote from him: “Nonviolent direct action seeks to create such a crisis and foster such a tension that a community which has constantly refused to negotiate is forced to confront the issue. It seeks so to dramatize the issue that it can no longer be ignored. . . . I must confess that I am not afraid of the word ‘tension.’” King was non-violent , but he…

Please make your substantive points without putting down your fellow user. Your comment would be just fine without the first sentence.

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Edit: the sentence I was reacting to was "You do not have a good understanding of King's work." Since it has been edited out now, I'm going to mark this subthread off topic and collapse it.

Re: The culture war is killing us [video]

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I don't know if there a good way to add value and insight to this topic because even insight is going to be zero sum and partisan, but here's a shot. Sectarianism is something I've talked to acquaintences about for a few years, as I was thinking about how to make predictions on how current events were playing out, and the precdents I thought would be useful as a model to anticipate were an environment like the Troubl…

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Please don't post political flamewar boilerplate to HN. Threads here are supposed to be curious conversations. This is not that.

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Re: The culture war is killing us [video]

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The Hill, like the Observer, used to be a great actual newspaper. The reporting in there was just phenomenal. And then presumably some conservative billionaire took it over and turned it into fox news light. Jared Kushner did the Observer takeover and turned it from something very weird and entertaining and serious and very New York into a directionless soup of trivialities. I used to buy and actually read the physic…

The Hill is nothing but liberal propaganda. Billionaires buy corporate media to inject views in the populace that benefit the billionaires. If they're good at playing the slow game and lobbying congress, they can influence the thinking of a generation of people through education and media. Millenials don't think like boomers who don't think like the Greatest Generation who don't think like their parents generation be…

Please read the site guidelines (all the way to the end, since the second-last one is relevant here) and please stick to the rules when posting to HN.

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Re: The culture war is killing us [video]

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The Hill is nothing but liberal propaganda. Billionaires buy corporate media to inject views in the populace that benefit the billionaires. If they're good at playing the slow game and lobbying congress, they can influence the thinking of a generation of people through education and media. Millenials don't think like boomers who don't think like the Greatest Generation who don't think like their parents generation be…

The owner and manger of the The Hill, Jimmy finkelstein, is a friend of Trump's, whose wife held an unpaid position as adviser to Melania trump in 2017-18 ( a fact not mentioned to Hill readers). Given that the outlet publishes a large number of libertarian and conservative op-eds, your claim seems at odds with reality, and is not supported by anything other than vague generalities about demography.

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Re: The culture war is killing us [video]

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post #44

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King did not call for calm, in fact often the opposite. Here's a quote from him: “Nonviolent direct action seeks to create such a crisis and foster such a tension that a community which has constantly refused to negotiate is forced to confront the issue. It seeks so to dramatize the issue that it can no longer be ignored. . . . I must confess that I am not afraid of the word ‘tension.’” King was non-violent , but he…

Please make your substantive points without putting down your fellow user. Your comment would be just fine without the first sentence. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html Edit: the sentence I was reacting to was "You do not have a good understanding of King's work." Since it has been edited out now, I'm going to mark this subthread off topic and collapse it.

The claim seems factually accurate and supported. We wouldn't consider an expert saying "you don't understand transformer ML models" with quotes supporting that claim, as being putting down the user, no?

I often read technical conversations on HN in which one user tells another they don't have an accurate understanding of some topic. Just because it's a historical or cultural matter doesn't mean it's ad hominem to state plainly and dispassionately that someone lacks understanding.

Re: The culture war is killing us [video]

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I remember reading about the case of, I think it was in the 1800's, of a congressman assaulting another congressman with a cane over some political issue. This was the Caning of Charles Sumner: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caning_of_Charles_Sumner And yes, you and the grandparent comment are exactly right - this has been going on for ages, precisely because the economic incentives of media have been to create strife…

"imagine the reaction from their advertising customers" Imagine the reaction from their viewers! The sad fact of the matter is that the media strategy you describe would be worthless if the viewers didn't lap it up and ask for more. The media's just giving most viewers what they want.

True, but there is a reason most human societies (excluding the West in the past 10 years) have had strong restrictions on the excesses of human behaviour. Just because the animal can do something, doesn't mean it should, precisely because society as a whole doesn't benefit when individuals do that.

In most societies, you still can't drink to excess and drive, nor advertise cigarettes, nor sell them to minors, nor do all manner of narcotics or have polygamous relationships willy-nilly. All these things are certainly what people would like to if possible, but social norms and laws put a lid on it. There is certainly screeching about some or all of those issues (like by some parties here on HN, Reddit and elsewhere), but by and large those restrictions are good for the functioning of a healthy society.

Media consumption, and in fact media production, was regulated, initially by technology (you couldn't broadcast widely before radio) and then by law (The Hays code in the US and its subsequent incarnations).

Cable defanged that, and the internet has destroyed it.

I'm not for censorship, but harmful media production and consumption should certainly be contained and punished if done with malicious intent. It's not easy though - we all agree that online recordings from certain Middle East groups are inflammatory and can radicalise innocent people into doing foolish things, but we can't see as a society that the same radicalisation has been happening in the Western press as well. The targets are just different.

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