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Re: The culture war is killing us [video]

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Post by anigbrowl »

kaliali wrote: post #11
readonthegoapp wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The Hill, like the Observer, used to be a great actual newspaper. The reporting in there was just phenomenal. And then presumably some conservative billionaire took it over and turned it into fox news light. Jared Kushner did the Observer takeover and turned it from something very weird and entertaining and serious and very New York into a directionless soup of trivialities. I used to buy and actually read the physic…

The Hill is nothing but liberal propaganda. Billionaires buy corporate media to inject views in the populace that benefit the billionaires. If they're good at playing the slow game and lobbying congress, they can influence the thinking of a generation of people through education and media. Millenials don't think like boomers who don't think like the Greatest Generation who don't think like their parents generation be…

The owner and manger of the The Hill, Jimmy finkelstein, is a friend of Trump's, whose wife held an unpaid position as adviser to Melania trump in 2017-18 ( a fact not mentioned to Hill readers).

Given that the outlet publishes a large number of libertarian and conservative op-eds, your claim seems at odds with reality, and is not supported by anything other than vague generalities about demography.

Re: The culture war is killing us [video]

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Post by amanaplanacanal »

kaliali wrote: post #11
readonthegoapp wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The Hill, like the Observer, used to be a great actual newspaper. The reporting in there was just phenomenal. And then presumably some conservative billionaire took it over and turned it into fox news light. Jared Kushner did the Observer takeover and turned it from something very weird and entertaining and serious and very New York into a directionless soup of trivialities. I used to buy and actually read the physic…

The Hill is nothing but liberal propaganda. Billionaires buy corporate media to inject views in the populace that benefit the billionaires. If they're good at playing the slow game and lobbying congress, they can influence the thinking of a generation of people through education and media. Millenials don't think like boomers who don't think like the Greatest Generation who don't think like their parents generation be…

I find this fascinating. You call The Hill liberal propaganda, and your parent calls it Fox News light.

Re: The culture war is killing us [video]

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Post by bananabiscuit »

anigbrowl wrote: post #21
kaliali wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The Hill is nothing but liberal propaganda. Billionaires buy corporate media to inject views in the populace that benefit the billionaires. If they're good at playing the slow game and lobbying congress, they can influence the thinking of a generation of people through education and media. Millenials don't think like boomers who don't think like the Greatest Generation who don't think like their parents generation be…

The owner and manger of the The Hill, Jimmy finkelstein, is a friend of Trump's, whose wife held an unpaid position as adviser to Melania trump in 2017-18 ( a fact not mentioned to Hill readers). Given that the outlet publishes a large number of libertarian and conservative op-eds, your claim seems at odds with reality, and is not supported by anything other than vague generalities about demography.

I am not familiar with The Hill, but the segment posted here did not seem to me to be biased one way or the other. Did you find there was something that leaned right/conservative in this specific video?

Re: The culture war is killing us [video]

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Post by im3w1l »

jollybean wrote: post #22
im3w1l wrote: post #20

The culture war isn't killing us - the other side is. War may suck but it beats being massacred.

You are not being massacred, and the 'war' is mostly based on willing misunderstanding, misattribution and the popular extolling of anger preachers.

Allow me to explain the metaphor. When two sides shoot at each other that is called a war. When one side shoots the other that is called a massacre. Hence if another side starts shooting at you and isn't willing to negotiate, massacre or war are your two choices.

In "cultural war", this would correspond to one side trying to keep moving their positions forward. The either side either puts up a fight or they don't.

Re: The culture war is killing us [video]

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Post by pmoriarty »

anigbrowl wrote: post #18
salimmadjd wrote: post #7

Have many of us have become the useful idiots of the corporate media overloads? I know it's fashionable to blame Facebook for the divisiveness, but I'm old enough to recall Obama's 2004 DNC speech that got him his first national attention. Before there was Facebook, Obama was talking about divisiveness. I firmly believe anger and anxiety is constantly injected into the mainstream corporate media to increase eyeballs…

The media didn't create divisiveness, although significant parts of it exploit the divisiveness for commercial purposes. We have objective evidence of severe legislative polarization at the federal level going back to the 1980s: https://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal...

"We have objective evidence of severe legislative polarization at the federal level going back to the 1980s"

Political divisiveness in the US goes back much further than that.

In the "you think it's bad now" department, I remember reading about the case of, I think it was in the 1800's, of a congressman assaulting another congressman with a cane over some political issue.

Of course the most infamous case of political divisiveness in the US was the Civil War.. which, judging by the Confederate flags man conservatives/Republicans proudly fly and the reactions they get from more liberal parts of the political spectrum, and the incomplete desegregation of many parts of the country, discrimination against minorities, vilification/adulation of Confederate statues, etc, still hasn't been fully resolved in many people's minds.

Getting to more recent, but still older than 1980's, political events.. it's not like the country was united during the Vietnam era or during that of the 60's counterculture.

Or look at the socialist/anarchist unrest and workers strikes (and police/corporate violence against them) or suffragettes of the early part of the 20th Century.

Plenty of times in America's history when the country was very divided, and today's divisiveness is nothing new.

As long as there's rapid change it's likely to continue, as some people will want to slam on the brakes while others want to go full steam ahead.

Re: The culture war is killing us [video]

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Post by jtbayly »

clcaev wrote: post #10

I believe the cultural wars focus the population's attention on issues that divide us, rather than issues that would unite: concentration of power, gutting of main street, etc. The detachment of our news and media from local civics denies our population practice working together, with real problems, with real consensus. Instead the polarization is on more abstract, national, and intractable concerns -- political spor…

> Sustainable power comes from the bottom up, not the top down.

I’m all for decreasing the size and scope of the federal government as well, but I hardly think that’s a non-polarizing opinion.

Re: The culture war is killing us [video]

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Post by Consultant32452 »

clcaev wrote: post #10

I believe the cultural wars focus the population's attention on issues that divide us, rather than issues that would unite: concentration of power, gutting of main street, etc. The detachment of our news and media from local civics denies our population practice working together, with real problems, with real consensus. Instead the polarization is on more abstract, national, and intractable concerns -- political spor…

A decade ago the activists were occupying Wall Street. Now they’re all aligned with the mega corps and the fighting is about semantics of how we say that lives matter. I believe this was deliberate. That doesn’t mean I necessarily believe some evil people twirled their mustaches to plot evil in secret, but is rather the result of many organizations working unison towards common goals without the necessity of central planning.

Re: The culture war is killing us [video]

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Post by arkaic »

amanaplanacanal wrote: post #23
kaliali wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The Hill is nothing but liberal propaganda. Billionaires buy corporate media to inject views in the populace that benefit the billionaires. If they're good at playing the slow game and lobbying congress, they can influence the thinking of a generation of people through education and media. Millenials don't think like boomers who don't think like the Greatest Generation who don't think like their parents generation be…

I find this fascinating. You call The Hill liberal propaganda, and your parent calls it Fox News light.

Exactly. Great example how we are all viewing different movies
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