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#11

Shallow boring and simplified. Not worth your time.

The Hill, like the Observer, used to be a great actual newspaper. The reporting in there was just phenomenal. And then presumably some conservative billionaire took it over and turned it into fox news light. Jared Kushner did the Observer takeover and turned it from something very weird and entertaining and serious and very New York into a directionless soup of trivialities. I used to buy and actually read the physic…

The Hill is nothing but liberal propaganda.

Billionaires buy corporate media to inject views in the populace that benefit the billionaires. If they're good at playing the slow game and lobbying congress, they can influence the thinking of a generation of people through education and media.

Millenials don't think like boomers who don't think like the Greatest Generation who don't think like their parents generation before then.

Your history classes don't clearly convey the way the general public thought in previous generations. Its very interesting to learn about previous generations thoughts and opinions on very similar issues that we see today.

People had the same intelligence back then as they today, they just didn't have the library of scientific knowledge and surprisingly a lot of knowledge on their viewpoints is largely forgotten by the public.

Bring on the down votes haters. People have the right to know.

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post #4

Shallow boring and simplified. Not worth your time.

Agreed. It's really easy to say "stop hating each other" when you refuse to point the finger at the media companies which have stoked the flames of division.

Or the Mega corporate and political organizations that fund them to do so. Get money out of politics. Period.

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#14

Shallow boring and simplified. Not worth your time.

Ad hominem and 'don't look over here' isn't the strongest rhetoric.

And 'simple' is just fine.

If it's that bad, then you should be able to succinctly explain why it's bad.

The notion of 'in group vs. out group' compassion changing over time seems to be a secular, noteworthy shift, that doesn't seem to get that much attention.

On my TikTok account, I've seen a few people talking about 'dumping people on the other side' because 'we don't sleep with the enemy' - which was really scary to hear out of the mouths of 'probably still teens'.

There is definitely a generational issue here because some of us are old enough to absolutely remember that 'it was not like this', but for others 'it's normal'.

Just like all news, we take it with a grain of salt, but I think it's a refreshing perspective worth hearing, certainly not a narrative you find that much in the bigger outlets.

I believe that effectively the general argument is essentially correct, and it's very saddening to me, aside from the sheer mental health and intellectual fatigue ... it's just not civil for us to be like this.

Re: The culture war is killing us [video]

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post #4

Shallow boring and simplified. Not worth your time.

Agreed. It's really easy to say "stop hating each other" when you refuse to point the finger at the media companies which have stoked the flames of division.

But that's the same game. Just pass the blame. Yes, let's recognize media, foreign state, etc roles in all of this. But let's also take responsibility and therefore control of the situation ourselves.

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Isn't this normal for US politics? This clip could as well have applied to the 60s and 70s. For example:

> The late 1960s, early 1970s saw a dramatic shift in the American political matrix, a redefinition of competing political ideologies or belief systems. War, urban riots, campus protests and student alienation, assassinations, inter-generational mistrust, monetary inflation, the growth of the welfare-warfare state, and the “Sexual Revolution,” were the background sociopolitical issues driving this sea change.

From: https://www.lewrockwell.com/2009/04/charles-burris/from-radi...

So all the violence, riots, and corrupt politics (on both sides) seems to be we are going through another cycle of warring political parties and movements?

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I don't know if there a good way to add value and insight to this topic because even insight is going to be zero sum and partisan, but here's a shot.

Sectarianism is something I've talked to acquaintences about for a few years, as I was thinking about how to make predictions on how current events were playing out, and the precdents I thought would be useful as a model to anticipate were an environment like the Troubles in Ireland, or the Years of Lead in Italy, and to a lesser extent, a re-run of the 1968-1970s U.S. era Weathermen type conflicts, but I think this emerging conflict will be even more of a melee.

It's still just skirmishes between very small physical groups that will probably move into terrorism and assasinations over the summer, and with tacit or direct approval and funding from within institutions to keep it going. Over a decade or more it reduces to a tawdry mix of organized crime and blood sport for the politically protected. And that's the optimistic version.

The factors and populations today are much larger, and the general destabiliztion of America both domesically and internationally is creating a power vaccuum, which a lot of different parties are rushing in to seize the void. This vaccuum idea predicts China's current aggression on Hong Kong and Taiwan, Russia on Ukraine (and the whole region), and Iran on Israel as a direct result of domestic instability in the U.S., because these powers know it's democratically impossible to be able to mobilze a draft for a ground war to defend your allies, so they're making their plays. While that shifts the discussion away from immediate domestic concerns, those players are absolutely involved.

The fashionably Girardian view would ask, who will be the scapegoat that lets all these groups save face and gives them an out for peace, and how grisly will its end have to be? I'm pretty sure it's going to be us thoughtful types, and maybe there will be a pogrom against rationalists, because if there is one thing everyone can agree on, people who write like this can be very annoying.

Re: The culture war is killing us [video]

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Have many of us have become the useful idiots of the corporate media overloads? I know it's fashionable to blame Facebook for the divisiveness, but I'm old enough to recall Obama's 2004 DNC speech that got him his first national attention. Before there was Facebook, Obama was talking about divisiveness. I firmly believe anger and anxiety is constantly injected into the mainstream corporate media to increase eyeballs…

The media didn't create divisiveness, although significant parts of it exploit the divisiveness for commercial purposes. We have objective evidence of severe legislative polarization at the federal level going back to the 1980s: https://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal...

Re: The culture war is killing us [video]

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A FPTP two party system almost necessitates culture war, since by definition if you're for one party you're against the other. At the end of the day you're forced to pick a side. The anchors are suggesting you ignore that eventuality.

I think moving away from First Past the Post voting systems is a good thing, but it is not the panacea people are hoping it will be. Just because people can vote for viable third parties does not mean that polarization will go down. It’s possible that more parties may increase divisions.
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