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Re: iPad Pro M1

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Post by wlesieutre »

cjm42 wrote: post #288
Joeri wrote: post #267

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Maybe I'm misunderstanding the problem being described, but I just tried this and it is impossible for me to type so fast in the iphone calculator app that it misses inputs. The animation completes in the background but does not block anything.

If I type "3 + 6 + 9" as fast as I can, then hit "=", I only get 18 about half the time. Sometimes I get 12, sometimes 15, occasionally something else. This is with a iPhone 11 Pro on iOS 14.4.2. It's ridiculous. I always hear the same number of clicks, though.

I must have never run into this because I don't calculate fast enough, but I just tried it and confirmed it really happens.

Somehow got the "6" key is stuck lit up, and despite having definitely registered a tap, it wasn't included in the addition.

https://i.imgur.com/onkcv59.png

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Post by paultopia »

boardwaalk wrote: post #140
smasher164 wrote: post #46

To me, it doesn't matter how powerful the iPad is if the software experience is subpar. Multitasking is cumbrous enough that it might as well not exist, multi-display setups can only mirror at a fixed aspect ratio, it lacks multiple user profiles requiring a family to be under a single user, and the few apps that take advantage of the keyboard/trackpad are nowhere similar to their desktop counterparts. Take Excel for…

Yeah, I saw this announcement and was thinking, “Why do I need more power?” coming from a 2018 iPad Pro. All this power is cool , but, the design of iPadOS is just not conducive to me wanting to get anything done on it. I know that’s ambiguous and hand wavey. Part of it is certainly the multitasking. Part of it is the keyboard. Part of it is no local Unix or build tools or good code editor. Yeah, I can SSH into anoth…

Yeah. Exactly the same sentiment. I have a 2018 ipad pro too, and... it runs anything I can throw at it. Admittedly, I don't try to do, I dunno, video editing or something on it. But unless they release xcode for the ipad, or put macos on it, or something that actually uses all that juice they keep shoving inside, I just... don't see the point.

maybe for gamers?

Re: iPad Pro M1

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Post by ricardobayes »

Version467 wrote: post #320
clairity wrote: post #148

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> "...gesture-like latencies in between to get it to work." i hate that animations on ios are i/o blocking. every single time i have to enter my passcode, it misses at least one if not two of my keypresses, which means i have to erase the whole thing and do it more slowly since the missing keypresses are essentially random (not just the final one or two). another related annoyance is alert popups that occur more than…

Ohh, so that's why entering the passcode on my ipad feels so wonky. I guess this is some kind of legacy thing because the first iphone wouldn't have been able to handle it? Because this seems like an exceptionally bad decision, unless absolutely necessary for some reason.

Must be deep-rooted like the UI render refresh issue on Android. No matter how fast the hardware of an android phone, it will always will be a bit clunky/laggy. "Android has a difficult time dealing with the touch interface because it handles rendering "on the main thread with normal priority," as opposed to iOS, which treats UI rendering with real-time priority." https://appleinsider.com/articles/11/12/07/former_google_int... Also try endlessly scrolling your photos on your iphone and on an android device - the difference in memory management will be apparent.

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Post by rahoulb »

justaguy88 wrote: post #244
foldr wrote: post #233

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Video and photo editing are common iPad Pro use cases where performance matters.

I always assumed that safari/youtube/netflix were the common use cases. Do numerically many people actually video/photo editing on these devices to make it "common"?

I do all my audio editing on the iPad. And I generate artwork (generally by mangling stock photos) on there. I also do a little bit of video editing but not enough to count it as a common use case.

It has a great screen, it's very fast, it has built in 4G and the single tasking nature also makes it my favourite tool for writing (including coding, if I don't have to do UI work as well).

For me, it's definitely a creation device and one of my favourite computers of all time.

It's also infuriating because it could do so much more - but as soon as it starts multi-tasking properly it will lose some of its strengths. Same goes for the magic keyboard - I use it a lot but the utility of it has to be balanced by the fact that it turns it into a laptop, which is something it's not.

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Post by gmaster1440 »

wikibob wrote: post #339
gmaster1440 wrote: post #41

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Missed opportunity in today's announcement to introduce arguably the most compelling part of M1 adoption: a desktop-like experience, especially since hardware keyboard and trackpad already exist. If it runs M1, I wanna run my Electron VS Code on it.

Good news: https://github.com/features/codespaces

A step in the right direction, but still not quite the same as a native app. Try using the magic keyboard trackpad to scroll, unless they finally fixed it recently.

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Post by varispeed »

samatman wrote: post #325
mimsee wrote: post #146

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Reduce, reuse, recycle. And in this order. What can be fixed will not end up in a landfill somewhere.

Agreed! Apple products last longer than the competition. You can verify this in any manner you please: there is a robust aftermarket in everything Apple, and in at least phones, laptops, and tablets, the Apple offering will last longer in the wild than comparable products from other companies. Perhaps the most virtuous thing is to reduce tablets by not having one. But let's say you want one, an iPad will be used by s…

> there is a robust aftermarket in everything Apple, and in at least phones, laptops, and tablets, the Apple offering will last longer in the wild than comparable products from other companies.

And these devices could last even longer if independent repair shops or users themselves could repair them. Unfortunately Apple has a habit of telling their suppliers to not sell parts to 3rd parties.

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Post by indymike »

enos_feedler wrote: post #264
jshen wrote: post #232

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ipad's limitations are arbitrary and have no strong reason to exist. I've been an apple fan for years, and bought my first PC in nearly 20 years recently because I shouldn't have to buy two very expensive apple devices (a mac, and an ipad) to cover all of my use cases.

If ipad’s limitations were arbitrary they wouldn’t exist. The product design is shaped by the use cases it optimizes for. This is no different than saying a GPU has arbitrary limitations for running general C++ code. In some sense yes, you could make a single thread c++ compiler target the GPU, but 1) it wouldnt fit the design well and 2) changing the design to make it work well would mess up the original intended us…

The limitations were born of hardware weaknesses when mobile devices were brought to market. The do seem arbitrary now, but they made sense 10 years ago. Those hardware weaknesses are long gone (it's not just Apple Silicon that is blazing fast in ARM land). Maybe it's time to rethink the whole mobile OS thing.

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Post by tluyben2 »

wayneftw wrote: post #279
bluescrn wrote: post #213

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The problem is that nobody has really found a way to bridge the chasm between touchscreen UI design and mouse/keyboard UI design. Attempts to get there tend to dumb down and limit the functionality of the mouse+keyboard experience. I guess the obvious option would be to let Pro users switch an iPad into a 'MacOS mode' with the full desktop interface, mostly relying on an additional keyboard+mouse. But I can't see App…

Windows 10 does it perfectly. If you haven't used a Windows 10 tablet for any amount of time, I'd suggest trying it out. I've used small and large Windows tablets for many years and have yet to find any big complaints about the UX.

In your opinion ofcourse. I find Windows 10 tablet mode ghastly, especially compared to ipados or ios. The only nice thing is that you have a real OS. If this iPad would run macos or windows, I would leave laptops and phones behind from that moment in. But alas. Maybe the 2nd gen surface X?

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Post by breakfastduck »

justaguy88 wrote: post #244
foldr wrote: post #233

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Video and photo editing are common iPad Pro use cases where performance matters.

I always assumed that safari/youtube/netflix were the common use cases. Do numerically many people actually video/photo editing on these devices to make it "common"?

Do you really think apple would be making pro level devices for that exact purpose if people werent?

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Post by koboll »

samatman wrote: post #304
smasher164 wrote: post #46

To me, it doesn't matter how powerful the iPad is if the software experience is subpar. Multitasking is cumbrous enough that it might as well not exist, multi-display setups can only mirror at a fixed aspect ratio, it lacks multiple user profiles requiring a family to be under a single user, and the few apps that take advantage of the keyboard/trackpad are nowhere similar to their desktop counterparts. Take Excel for…

Things I do on an iPad, ranked by how unlikely I am to do them on another computer: - Draw. This is the big one. I'm no fine artist, but I do a bit of calligraphy now and then, and Procreate is amazing. - Make memes. It might not be more "productive" to caption funny pictures on my iPad than it would be to do it on desktop, but it's more fun. It feels more natural to manipulate images on a tablet. - Read PDFs. the 12…

>- Draw. This is the big one. I'm no fine artist, but I do a bit of calligraphy now and then, and Procreate is amazing.

Same, and this is how the iPad really shines, except for one huge drawback: limited RAM means I either have to reduce my art to sub-4k quality or limit it to 30-ish layers.

Both options suck. It was very disappointing to see no mention of RAM anywhere in this announcement. Maybe for some applications processing speed is a limiting factor, but it certainly isn't the bottleneck for artists, so this announcement is a bit of a letdown.

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