iPad Pro M1 • Hacker News Board

Re: iPad Pro M1

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Post by 2muchcoffeeman » Tue, Apr 20, 2021, 9:03 PM UTC

boardwaalk wrote: post #140

smasher164 wrote: post #46

To me, it doesn't matter how powerful the iPad is if the software experience is subpar. Multitasking is cumbrous enough that it might as well not exist, multi-display setups can only mirror at a fixed aspect ratio, it lacks multiple user profiles requiring a family to be under a single user, and the few apps that take advantage of the keyboard/trackpad are nowhere similar to their desktop counterparts. Take Excel for…

Yeah, I saw this announcement and was thinking, “Why do I need more power?” coming from a 2018 iPad Pro. All this power is cool , but, the design of iPadOS is just not conducive to me wanting to get anything done on it. I know that’s ambiguous and hand wavey. Part of it is certainly the multitasking. Part of it is the keyboard. Part of it is no local Unix or build tools or good code editor. Yeah, I can SSH into anoth…

Did you see the new iMac? It’s just a huge tablet now.

12.9 inch iPad is starting to look like a 12 inch MacBook. All you need is the OS upgrade.

It going to be really interesting to see if/how/when they unify their entire ecosystem.

Re: iPad Pro M1

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Post by kjjjjjjjjjjjjjj » Tue, Apr 20, 2021, 9:03 PM UTC

Why do they give it so much power if it can't really do much? Its still just an ancillary device for youtube, some presentations, maybe some very light workloads. You can't even code on it!

Re: iPad Pro M1

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Post by nunez » Tue, Apr 20, 2021, 9:05 PM UTC

smasher164 wrote: post #46

To me, it doesn't matter how powerful the iPad is if the software experience is subpar. Multitasking is cumbrous enough that it might as well not exist, multi-display setups can only mirror at a fixed aspect ratio, it lacks multiple user profiles requiring a family to be under a single user, and the few apps that take advantage of the keyboard/trackpad are nowhere similar to their desktop counterparts. Take Excel for…

Hard agree. M1 on the iPad is great from a technical perspective (having the same CPU/CPU arch on desktop and mobile platforms is a game-changer), but doesn't really do anything for me right now when things like Google Sheets are a pain to use on it.

Re: iPad Pro M1

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Post by rrrrrrrrrrrryan » Tue, Apr 20, 2021, 9:06 PM UTC

clairity wrote: post #148

smasher164 wrote: post #46

To me, it doesn't matter how powerful the iPad is if the software experience is subpar. Multitasking is cumbrous enough that it might as well not exist, multi-display setups can only mirror at a fixed aspect ratio, it lacks multiple user profiles requiring a family to be under a single user, and the few apps that take advantage of the keyboard/trackpad are nowhere similar to their desktop counterparts. Take Excel for…

> "...gesture-like latencies in between to get it to work." i hate that animations on ios are i/o blocking. every single time i have to enter my passcode, it misses at least one if not two of my keypresses, which means i have to erase the whole thing and do it more slowly since the missing keypresses are essentially random (not just the final one or two). another related annoyance is alert popups that occur more than…

From my primitive understanding, many of the iOS animations are basically pre-rendered and played at the right time to cover up any CPU-intensive activities that are happening under the hood. Rather than display a laggy, stuttering input box that captures every keypress (eventually), they've chosen to lock you out from input entirely, force you to sit back and watch the beautiful transition, then allow you to input when the device is fully ready to accept that input.

It's a frustrating design decision to me as well, maybe because I'd much rather prefer a barebones, stripped-down, streamlined experience, but I'm sure it's more psychologically soothing for more people when compared to the laggy experience on some competing devices.

Re: iPad Pro M1

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Post by jxy » Tue, Apr 20, 2021, 9:08 PM UTC

justaguy88 wrote: post #250

sirn wrote: post #89

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Just a wishful thinking, but since this is an M1 and not the A14X (and 8c+8c+8/16GB setup used in MacBook Pro even), I'm hoping that Hypervisor.framework will come to an iPadOS in the next WWDC. Having something like macOS.app, or even Ubuntu.app within iPad Pro would make it a pretty amazing convertible (for me).

Agreed, ubuntu.app would be amazing

Switch to Safari to surf the net, and come back to ubuntu.app ... ooooh, it got killed in the background!

Re: iPad Pro M1

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Post by crooked-v » Tue, Apr 20, 2021, 9:11 PM UTC

christiansakai wrote: post #133

For this Mother's Day I am thinking of getting my old mother either an iPad Pro (M1) or Macbook Air (M1). Emphasized on "old" because she is technically quite illiterate. She does use iPhone though. I wonder what will be the better gift for her? Is iPad quite foolproof? I am thinking of getting the magic keyboard as well and the mouse in case she needs a mouse. Her workflow most likely just browsing, email, FaceTime,…

I'll echo the other comments about the iPad being the better choice in this case (though you may as well get the Air rather than the Pro - you can get the same Magic Keyboard as the 11-inch Pro for typing).

As well as being more familiar right away because it will mostly feel like a bigger iPhone, it's a better device for reading (put the Kindle app on there with a Kindle Unlimited subscription for a bajillion books and some free magazine subscriptions), it's got a better camera for FaceTime, if she's at all artistically minded there are a ton of excellent drawing apps to go with the Apple Pencil, etc.

The one big caveat I would point out is that the gesture controls have really poor discovery, so you may want to print out and laminate a cheat sheet (like the illustrated versions on https://ipadpilotnews.com/2020/04/all-the-gestures-ipad-pilo...) for easy reference.

Re: iPad Pro M1

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Post by ttul » Tue, Apr 20, 2021, 9:11 PM UTC

dijit wrote: post #245

rvz wrote: post #193

Earlier quoted context omitted.

From the grandparent comment: > I have never been happier with a laptop than this first generation M1 MBP. I always skip the first generation of any Apple product. The M1 adoption cycle was infested with hype and was somewhat a hacky process, especially for the developer software ecosystem, and it is still immature, un-optimised and still not ready. You still can't even use two monitors on the M1 Macbook Air simultan…

The hype so far is very well justified, though. There are issues, for sure, the "2 displays, max" limitation, the memory limitation, these are real problems- but they're not hidden away, they're well known and understood and if you can live with that then these are genuinely generational leaps in terms of performance/watt which _really matters_. Your negativity is misplaced, the machines limitations are well understo…

I'm a little surprised that they didn't do an M2 chip for the iMac. However, perhaps they'll roll that out later this year with a 27" iMac refresh. In any case, the M1 is insanely fast and will be more than fantastic for most people.

Re: iPad Pro M1

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Post by 88840-8855 » Tue, Apr 20, 2021, 9:14 PM UTC

teatree wrote: post #201

I know is a massive overkill, but how is the experience of reading books (pdfs)on the iPad Pro ? (Reading books on a laptop is a pain and phones are too small)

I recommend you the 2 TB 5G version for 2400 USD + the 150 USD Apple Pencil + the 350 USD keyboard, so in total 2900 USD for reading PDFs.

Best regards :)

Re: iPad Pro M1

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Post by wikibob » Tue, Apr 20, 2021, 9:18 PM UTC

gmaster1440 wrote: post #41

Spartan-S63 wrote: post #13

It'll be interesting to see if iPadOS 15 steps us any closer to laptop/desktop class usage. The biggest thing holding back iPad from being a real laptop replacement for so many is the software. It's also not as simple as porting macOS to iPad. I get Apple's hesitancy from a usability and a product cannibalization standpoint, but it's time they step things forward.

Missed opportunity in today's announcement to introduce arguably the most compelling part of M1 adoption: a desktop-like experience, especially since hardware keyboard and trackpad already exist. If it runs M1, I wanna run my Electron VS Code on it.

Good news: https://github.com/features/codespaces

Re: iPad Pro M1

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Post by Applejinx » Tue, Apr 20, 2021, 9:20 PM UTC

camillomiller wrote: post #324

justaguy88 wrote: post #244

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I always assumed that safari/youtube/netflix were the common use cases. Do numerically many people actually video/photo editing on these devices to make it "common"?

Yes, absolutely. In photography circles the iPad Pro is regarded as an amazing device that offers performance and color quality that you won't be able to achieve even with expensive desktop monitors. Also, for the professional photographer, whose average rig is probably worth at least 20 to 50k depending on what they do, a 2000$ tablet with these characteristics is a steal.

Well, now, that's interesting. I legitimately did not know that, even though I own three Blackmagic PCC4k video cameras and take quite an interest in 'playback technology', whether audio or imagery. I do know that my horrifyingly over-expensive iMac Pro has a good screen, but not Pro Display XDR good. I'd assumed the iPads were basically consumer grade.

So the iPad Pro actually does make sense for color timing and proofs and working in DaVinci Resolve etc? If the display is relevant for this, damn straight giving it a good CPU is going to matter.

People are going to be doing serious video color correction work on these things. I certainly won't… but it's going to start looking very compelling for that audience.