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My Life as an Undocumented Immigrant

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Re: My Life as an Undocumented Immigrant

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's illegal, but it's not a felony. Huge difference. Hiring undocumented workers, when detected (which rarely happens, particularly for small businesses), is usually punished by a civil penalty (i.e., a cash fine).

Doing what the anigbrowl is referring to is certainly a felony...

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Re: My Life as an Undocumented Immigrant

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Good to hear this issue raised. In The Netherlands where I live this has been an issue several times: the immigration process is so long (can take 8-10 years) that kids grow up here, and for instance girls would be rejected by everyone if returned to their native Afghanistan. Several high profile cases were handled and several have been allowed to stay, or atleast finish high school / college.

The issue is just getting bigger however: I find it scary that policies have gone so far that a Dutch citizen has to go live in Belgium or Spain once married so that their spouse can get a work permit and eventually gain EU citizenship...

Re: My Life as an Undocumented Immigrant

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I have no beef with this guy who was basically forced into breaking the law before he could have responsibility for his actions. But overall I just feel that the compassion about immigration is misplaced. I don't understand why all the pro-immigration people say "look at these poor undocumented immigrants -- we should make life better for them." I think the people we should have compassion for are the people who are…

EXACTLY!!! There are so many people who are trying to come and contribute to the US society through legal means. They run into all kinds of obstacles and barriers. Meanwhile it's OK to get a citizenship through fake passports?

Re: My Life as an Undocumented Immigrant

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I have no beef with this guy who was basically forced into breaking the law before he could have responsibility for his actions. But overall I just feel that the compassion about immigration is misplaced. I don't understand why all the pro-immigration people say "look at these poor undocumented immigrants -- we should make life better for them." I think the people we should have compassion for are the people who are…

Spouse of first-generation immigrant to the United States here. And back in the 1990s I used to be an immigration lawyer for a small law firm on the west coast. Yes, the personal story of Jose Antonio Vargas is rough on him personally, but a better basis for setting the policy of immigration in the United States would be the stories of the many people who patiently wait in line to be admitted to the United States through legal channels. Look at their stories, and figure out what change of rules and incentives would bring in what subset of those people to become new Americans.

Every country on the planet appears to have restrictions on immigration. Most of the time we don't discuss the policies of countries other than the United States in new submissions to HN, even though HN is an international forum, because most countries are lousy enough to be entrepreneurs in and lousy enough to live in that no one on HN wants to immigrate to those countries. (Instead, most people on HN discuss how to get OUT of dozens of other countries around the world, and in many cases how to immigrate to the United States.) When we consider that the actual number of legally authorized immigrants to the United States each year is one of the highest such numbers in the world (does ANY country have more legal immigrants each year?), it's hard to make a case that the United States is missing out on immigrants by its current policies. Perhaps there are some policy changes to be made on the margins, and on my own part my policy preference would be to make immigration to the United States legally easier and much more commonplace, but the way to make the case for policy reform is to show law-abiding Americans that the policy changes help their lives. The Americans I know, including many law-abiding first-generation immigrants, want policy reform that makes like better in general for all people already in America, as well as for people intending to immigrate here.

Re: My Life as an Undocumented Immigrant

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The "anyone can make it" part is true: lots of LEGAL immigrants and their children have done far better than their peers in their home countries (facetious example: Obama, but there are many many unknown people like that). For all it faults, America remains the most meritocratic country in the world. Discouraging ILLEGAL immigration should not lower America's standing in that respect.

America remains the most meritocratic country in the world This needs a citation. America-is-great chest pounding aside, the only reputable reference I remember seeing about this was from the Economist, who claimed that the correlation between your wealth and that of your parents is stronger in the US than in many European countries. So it seems that, at least measured in that way, the US is not a particularly good m…

That would not be strong refuting evidence. Given both genetics and environment factors (smart successful parents have more to teach, perhaps), I would expect successful children from successful parents. On the other hand, in a society where success were arbitrary, I would expect high incoherence between parent and child success.

I suppose by "anyone can make it" we could literally mean, "irrespective of your abilities anyone can make it", but I don't think that's the sense most people mean and that's not the meaning of meritocracy. Talent and/or a hard working mien are not bestowed randomly at birth.

Re: My Life as an Undocumented Immigrant

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Terrific story. I can't understand how even the most heartless xenophobe could possibly support the deportation of a someone who graduated from a US university. Utterly self-defeating from a social and an economic standpoint.

Crime has consequences, no matter how nice/good/smart you are. Do the paperwork, follow the process, come in legally - like my wife did.

The point at which law becomes a hinderance and not help is when it gets changed or broken.

Basically, all you are suggesting is: go find a "citizen" to trap in matrimony in order to be a legal immigrant?

The matrimony route is especially relevant, since in the US it is the one of the faster means to obtaining citizenship compared to other methods immigrate legally.

Here is the reference:

http://reason.com/assets/db/07cf533ddb1d06350cf1ddb5942ef5ad...

Re: My Life as an Undocumented Immigrant

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I have no beef with this guy who was basically forced into breaking the law before he could have responsibility for his actions. But overall I just feel that the compassion about immigration is misplaced. I don't understand why all the pro-immigration people say "look at these poor undocumented immigrants -- we should make life better for them." I think the people we should have compassion for are the people who are…

even when i was jumping through all the hoops for my GC (took me 7+ years), i still felt strong compassion for these poor guys sitting under the hot midday Sun on San Antonio cross El Camino and ready to work for minimal money while i was driving by in air conditioned car to my nice hi-tech job.

Yes, if my GC failed, i'd be strongly disappointed, to say the least, would be forced to start to think again where to go - Canada, England, Germany, Australia... didn't want back to Russia (even though programmer's salary there would make me live comparably much better than i live here) - tough choices ...

These poor guys waiting for a piece of a tough dirty day job - what choice they have? what alternative did they have before crossing into US illegally if what they have now is supposedly a better one?

Re: My Life as an Undocumented Immigrant

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post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Wouldn't that be because immigration violations are ongoing events?

Well, even if you leave, if you've been present illegally in the US for more than a year, you're subject to the lifetime bar. So, no, they really don't have a statute of limitations.

That's inaccurate. Illegal presence greater than 6 months and less than a year subjects a departing alien to a 3 year bar on re-entry absent a waiver. Illegal presence for longer than a year ups that to a 10 year bar. There are also lifetime bars on re-entry but they are reserved for much narrower and more egregious violations, like election fraud, aiding terrorism and so on.

Re: My Life as an Undocumented Immigrant

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It's really courageous of him to come ahead with his story. I really hope he gets shipped back to the Philippines.

Go ahead and call me a xenophobe now. Whatev.

I think it is in poor form for the NYT to print this manipulative article that tries to make me feel bad for the gay, minority, do-gooder author and excuse his years of criminally fraudulent behavior.

Sure, call me heartless. But, this guy is cheating you, and not in the "Oh cool hack" kind of way. He is cheating you in a Bernie-Madoff-conned-me-out-of-my-money-for-ponzi-investments-so-that-he-could-live-a-cushy-life kind of way.

Re: My Life as an Undocumented Immigrant

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I have no beef with this guy who was basically forced into breaking the law before he could have responsibility for his actions. But overall I just feel that the compassion about immigration is misplaced. I don't understand why all the pro-immigration people say "look at these poor undocumented immigrants -- we should make life better for them." I think the people we should have compassion for are the people who are…

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