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Luca App: CCC calls for a moratorium

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To be fair: German employee protection is so strong, it's almost impossible for anyone to get fired from any company bigger than 10 employees for reasons other than committing crimes or felonies, as long as the company cannot prove that they have to let people go due to bad overall business. Even then, as an employer, you cannot simply fire the underachievers, but you have to negotiate with the works council to be ab…

Which is exactly how it should be, no? Or do you favour kickin someone in their 50s out who has worked at the place for the last 20 years and will have a super hard time to find another job no matter how hard they try, so that their only option is being unemployed and to rely on social security?

First, employers should be able to keep employees based on merit, not on arbitrary measures neither the employer nor the employee can change (sex, gender, age,...). If a company is already in trouble, having to let go talent will hurt them even more. It’s so hard (and expensive) to let people go in Germany that it’s almost always the last cry for help to get more subsidies or shut down for good. The 50 year old won’t any guarantee to keep that job for much longer like that... Secondl, the reasoning holds also for an overperforming 50 year old employee who’s recently been hired vs. a 35 year old that started vocational training 19 years prior - no chance for the newbie to stay. What’s your opinion on this? Third, the job market for people with experience is very good in Germany. There are indefinite ways to learn new skills and redevelop your career, mostly sponsored by the taxpayer. At age 50, a lot of people start their second or third career. I don’t trust the narrative that old People are doomed if they lose their job compared to a 28 year old with two kids and a husband that’s doing his PhD on a shitty part time salary.

Re: Luca App: CCC calls for a moratorium

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There is so much incompetency in governmental IT/software decisions and software it's actually sad. Is it a product of smart people simply not working in this sector or corruption?. It seems from the outside to be filled with imbeciles masquerading as administrators. We need to somehow make the government way more accountable, if only there was an organization that could do that, we could call it the media.

Government IT: pays government salaries Private sector: pays more than lawyers and surgeons even if yiu never graduated college Gee I wonder where smart ambitious people will go

People always wonder why our government often sucks so hard at implementing stuff.

Easy solution:

1. Pay fewer people more money 2. Reinstitute civil service exams

I guess this is politically impossible?

Re: Luca App: CCC calls for a moratorium

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post #88

Earlier quoted context omitted.

To be fair: German employee protection is so strong, it's almost impossible for anyone to get fired from any company bigger than 10 employees for reasons other than committing crimes or felonies, as long as the company cannot prove that they have to let people go due to bad overall business. Even then, as an employer, you cannot simply fire the underachievers, but you have to negotiate with the works council to be ab…

On the other hand, employers often work around the restrictions on termination by employing people on a fixed-term employment contract ("befristeter Arbeitsvertrag") and then extending the employment period again and again [1]. In many sectors it is pretty much impossible to get an indefinite contract. [1] Although there is a regular limit of two years, i.e. if you continue working after two years the employment cont…

Funny thing - the only entity allowed to make „Kettenbefristung“ (chaining fixed-term contracts) indefinite is... ... the government!

Re: Luca App: CCC calls for a moratorium

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There is so much incompetency in governmental IT/software decisions and software it's actually sad. Is it a product of smart people simply not working in this sector or corruption?. It seems from the outside to be filled with imbeciles masquerading as administrators. We need to somehow make the government way more accountable, if only there was an organization that could do that, we could call it the media.

It's actually "accountability" that's a big part of the problem. Government procurement is so focused on the appearance of fairness and money saving that all other goals, like actually getting something that works, take a back seat. You end up with over-specified requirements that remove the possibility of innovative or creative solutions. Providers are treated like a commodity, where it is assumed that all will do t…

Name and shame: https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/ottawa/phoenix-costs-137-mill...

Re: Luca App: CCC calls for a moratorium

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It's actually "accountability" that's a big part of the problem. Government procurement is so focused on the appearance of fairness and money saving that all other goals, like actually getting something that works, take a back seat. You end up with over-specified requirements that remove the possibility of innovative or creative solutions. Providers are treated like a commodity, where it is assumed that all will do t…

This is exactly it. And to be clear, there's a good reason for it: it's to prevent corruption. If things aren't overspecified and providers aren't treated like a commodity, then it's incredibly hard to prove that a government official actually awarded a contract in a fair process, rather than just sending it over to their best friend's business. Unfortunately, nobody's really come up with any reliable process for hav…

I'm skeptical it's even good at that intended purpose. Perhaps one could argue it prevents blatant, direct corruption, but it does little to control for large company influence and other forms of soft power.

The biggest companies in this space maintain an active revolving door, which ensures that procurement policy is moulded (either consciously or unconsciously) to their process and needs over time. Even more insidiously, they've convinced governments to gut their own IT workforce, removing the people most qualified to critically analyze software vendors. This appeals to your average bureaucrat because it appears to strike a good balance between effort and risk minimization (e.g. why bother managing multiple smaller vendors or timelines?), while in practice it does exactly the opposite.

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> Its just that they are either tied to universities, startup clusters or for kids. …or lacking members. He wrote, glancing around the empty room

Because of COVID?

Currently, I suppose, but no; it’s been “active” since about 2010.

Re: Luca App: CCC calls for a moratorium

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If a lot of people with good pentesting skills started bashing the hell out of this app in an organized yet brutal fashion, that could be very interesting and likely legally problematic. I wouldn’t advise anyone to do that. Ever. Honestly.

Re: Luca App: CCC calls for a moratorium

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This is exactly it. And to be clear, there's a good reason for it: it's to prevent corruption. If things aren't overspecified and providers aren't treated like a commodity, then it's incredibly hard to prove that a government official actually awarded a contract in a fair process, rather than just sending it over to their best friend's business. Unfortunately, nobody's really come up with any reliable process for hav…

I'm skeptical it's even good at that intended purpose. Perhaps one could argue it prevents blatant, direct corruption, but it does little to control for large company influence and other forms of soft power. The biggest companies in this space maintain an active revolving door, which ensures that procurement policy is moulded (either consciously or unconsciously) to their process and needs over time. Even more insidi…

It's to avoid the very specific form of corruption via kickbacks, essentially -- and if you look at the history of how politicians used to spend money in the US, you'll see that it is actually quite effective at this, and that it was once a gigantic problem -- and continues to be in some countries today.

You're right that it does nothing about other forms of influence like the revolving door.

And like I said, it comes at a tremendous cost of efficiency and quality. It's not trying to strike a balance between corruption and efficiency/quality, it's trying to explicitly minimize corruption at the expense of efficiency/quality.

Re: Luca App: CCC calls for a moratorium

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If a lot of people with good pentesting skills started bashing the hell out of this app in an organized yet brutal fashion, that could be very interesting and likely legally problematic. I wouldn’t advise anyone to do that. Ever. Honestly.

I’m not sure how this is responsible disclosure what some people are doing. I know it’s not the ccc itself but ccc is always encouraging to responsible disclosure afaik.

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Check out https://www.blivande.com/ Burners, artists and (I think) hackers doing stuff together in Stockholm. (I'm not in sthlm but part of the Scandinavian burning scene)

What does burner mean here?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Burning_Man
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