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Luca App: CCC calls for a moratorium

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Re: Luca App: CCC calls for a moratorium

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You're saying exactly the same thing as me: There are very few independent hacker spaces (in most cities, none), unlike in Germany and Norway where that is the norm.

CCC isn't a hacker space as I understand the term. CCC is a club of security experts. hacker spaces are communal spaces where you can tinker with peers using provided tools.

Chaos Computer Club also means there are actual physical club rooms where members can meet.

Re: Luca App: CCC calls for a moratorium

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Is there a U.S. based Chaos Computer Club (CCC) or CCC like group?

There's defcon, but it's more of annual conference than an ongoing group that works together.

There's also the local DC chapters, http://dc612.org/ has been going strong up in Minneapolis for years.

Re: Luca App: CCC calls for a moratorium

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post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You're saying exactly the same thing as me: There are very few independent hacker spaces (in most cities, none), unlike in Germany and Norway where that is the norm.

CCC isn't a hacker space as I understand the term. CCC is a club of security experts. hacker spaces are communal spaces where you can tinker with peers using provided tools.

The CCC is both. It's a club of computer- and technology-interested d people. Most cities have some rented space that doubles as a hacker and tinker space. It really depends on the members in each city what the specific location looks like.

That there is also a branch of very public security experts is... Incidental, I'd say.

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There is so much incompetency in governmental IT/software decisions and software it's actually sad. Is it a product of smart people simply not working in this sector or corruption?. It seems from the outside to be filled with imbeciles masquerading as administrators. We need to somehow make the government way more accountable, if only there was an organization that could do that, we could call it the media.

Government IT: pays government salaries Private sector: pays more than lawyers and surgeons even if yiu never graduated college Gee I wonder where smart ambitious people will go

Exactly. I dropped out of university, so I can't be hired by any German agency/office, because a degree is a hard requirement. But I can work for them as a consultant asking for more than two-three times the money...

The salary is a joke, I've made their base salary, which requires at least bachelors degree, as part time working student in private sector.

There is only one reason to work for the government in Germany and it's called "Verbeamtung" (a legal state where you are not employed, but appointed for government service, it's almost impossible to get fired and you pay little to no taxes, etc.), but the whole office politics and long decision making channels are awful (source: me working for a company owned by the local government years ago).

Re: Luca App: CCC calls for a moratorium

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post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You're saying exactly the same thing as me: There are very few independent hacker spaces (in most cities, none), unlike in Germany and Norway where that is the norm.

CCC isn't a hacker space as I understand the term. CCC is a club of security experts. hacker spaces are communal spaces where you can tinker with peers using provided tools.

Neither is right. CCC also has security experts as members, which sometimes comment publicly. In general however, it is the parent organization for local hacker spaces (though it is possible to be member on only local or only CCC level). And many local spaces are also called ccc-xy. Wnd their interests.

Re: Luca App: CCC calls for a moratorium

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What was wrong with Corona-Warn-App? Looked amazing compared to ‎TousAntiCovid last year yet I'm learning here that it isn't improved anymore and I haven't seen ads for it anywhere. The differences between German states and the way news are communicated is so complicated, and it's been more than a year that it's like that now. As a French citizen living in Germany I can get vaccinated if I go back to France soon (the…

It is still improved. The actually also want to add this kind of check-in (almost done) but it might be blocked by apple/google as the terms of use of the contact tracing API forbids use of additional data.

Re: Luca App: CCC calls for a moratorium

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post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Government IT: pays government salaries Private sector: pays more than lawyers and surgeons even if yiu never graduated college Gee I wonder where smart ambitious people will go

Exactly. I dropped out of university, so I can't be hired by any German agency/office, because a degree is a hard requirement. But I can work for them as a consultant asking for more than two-three times the money... The salary is a joke, I've made their base salary, which requires at least bachelors degree, as part time working student in private sector. There is only one reason to work for the government in Germany…

Agree with everything, except for the point about taxes. Income tax for employees, state officials („Beamte“) and self employed people in Germany is exactly the same regarding the tax rates. The difference is social insurance, especially pensions and health insurance.

Re: Luca App: CCC calls for a moratorium

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post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Government IT: pays government salaries Private sector: pays more than lawyers and surgeons even if yiu never graduated college Gee I wonder where smart ambitious people will go

Exactly. I dropped out of university, so I can't be hired by any German agency/office, because a degree is a hard requirement. But I can work for them as a consultant asking for more than two-three times the money... The salary is a joke, I've made their base salary, which requires at least bachelors degree, as part time working student in private sector. There is only one reason to work for the government in Germany…

"Verbeamtung" which you basically won't have any chance of getting in most German states in a IT related job even if you litterally save their ass.

The only way to do money there is by having a position where you can make decisions and then twist requirements for "external tasks" so that "your" company has a good chance to get it. Worse if you don't twist requirements the job is still most likely going to a partially incompetent scam company due to how stupid the whole process it...

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