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Luca App: CCC calls for a moratorium

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Re: Luca App: CCC calls for a moratorium

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There is so much incompetency in governmental IT/software decisions and software it's actually sad. Is it a product of smart people simply not working in this sector or corruption?. It seems from the outside to be filled with imbeciles masquerading as administrators. We need to somehow make the government way more accountable, if only there was an organization that could do that, we could call it the media.

Government IT: pays government salaries

Private sector: pays more than lawyers and surgeons even if yiu never graduated college

Gee I wonder where smart ambitious people will go

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Oh, there are tons of hackerspaces in Sweden. Its just that they are either tied to universities, startup clusters or for kids. I guess you were simply not in contact with the right people.

You're saying exactly the same thing as me: There are very few independent hacker spaces (in most cities, none), unlike in Germany and Norway where that is the norm.

Maybe this is a naive question since I’ve never been involved in a hacker/computer club but why is a dedicated space required? Does the club usually purchase hardware/equipment that needs to be stored? I suppose I always assumed the members brought their own equipment to meetings.

You know, the more I think about it, I’m not really sure I have any idea what a computer club actually is and does...

Re: Luca App: CCC calls for a moratorium

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Is there a U.S. based Chaos Computer Club (CCC) or CCC like group?

My understanding as an outsider who has never been to the US is that the US hacker scene is quite different.

One notable difference is a much closer connection to e.g. intelligence services.

On the other hand, the relationship to democratic processes, as well as the stance on state/federal involvement in IT problem spaces, seems to differ between Germany and the US.

Again: I'm an outsider and would actually like to hear from others how they see this.

Re: Luca App: CCC calls for a moratorium

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post #29

There is so much incompetency in governmental IT/software decisions and software it's actually sad. Is it a product of smart people simply not working in this sector or corruption?. It seems from the outside to be filled with imbeciles masquerading as administrators. We need to somehow make the government way more accountable, if only there was an organization that could do that, we could call it the media.

At least in the US, some of it is the vagaries of government acquisitions. The requisition process is one that works fairly well for services and products that are established and largely interchangeable, but is more difficult for something that's either emerging or complex. So it's fairly straightforward to say "I require a piece of construction equipment that does something" and then go view a few off-the-shelf options and pick the best price. But for software and services, especially things that don't exist, the existing requisition process doesn't work well. You're required to plan very far ahead in a market that moves quickly. By the time you get to bids, the requirements have likely changed, but it might be too late to go back and change requisition without going through an approval process again. It also requires you boil down a process into a series of atomized pieces that can be scored so you've got a clear paper-trail of the acquisitions process.

It's a system that benefits vendors that can manage the red tape that's there to prevent corruption.

Re: Luca App: CCC calls for a moratorium

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post #29

There is so much incompetency in governmental IT/software decisions and software it's actually sad. Is it a product of smart people simply not working in this sector or corruption?. It seems from the outside to be filled with imbeciles masquerading as administrators. We need to somehow make the government way more accountable, if only there was an organization that could do that, we could call it the media.

It's actually "accountability" that's a big part of the problem.

Government procurement is so focused on the appearance of fairness and money saving that all other goals, like actually getting something that works, take a back seat.

You end up with over-specified requirements that remove the possibility of innovative or creative solutions. Providers are treated like a commodity, where it is assumed that all will do the same job, and cost is the only real negotiation point, maybe with some kind of scoring grid against the over-specified requirements thrown in.

And the procurement decisions are made by procurement officers who are not the actual users of what is being bought (in the name of objectivity).

So what happens, on a good day, is that the operational users in the purchasing department work with the preferred vendor to "wire" the RFP to reflect the scope or work that is wanted and add requirements (e.g. years of very specific experience, past projects) that heavily favor the preferred vendor. At least this way the department may get something they want, thought it obviously can be gamed. Worse though is that many contracts just go to lowest cost staffing firms that are optimized to comply with government procurement requirements and provide the minimum set of bodies that meet those requirements, usually former government folks rented back, plus some low cost IT resources, that are there to execute to the letter of what the government has over-specified, usually something that wont actually work as written.

This is why so much government procurement is a failure by any objective measure. What I have seen work is when a vendor provides a credible unsolicited pitch to a known problem at a fixed cost, and the relevant departments are forced to decide if it makes sense.

In Canada we had a major one like that a few years ago, the outcome was great for the department that needed it, but careers were destroyed in the process as politicians and their incumbent friends pushed back to try and stop it.

Re: Luca App: CCC calls for a moratorium

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What was wrong with Corona-Warn-App? Looked amazing compared to ‎TousAntiCovid last year yet I'm learning here that it isn't improved anymore and I haven't seen ads for it anywhere. The differences between German states and the way news are communicated is so complicated, and it's been more than a year that it's like that now.

As a French citizen living in Germany I can get vaccinated if I go back to France soon (the French state literally sent me an email to tell me that as they know I'm living in a foreign country), meanwhile I keep on reading that some German states are trying to get more vaccines than the others (e.g. Sputnik in Bavaria) and I cannot get a free PCR in a state where I do not live. Why having such friendly fire in your own country, especially when my health insurance works at the national level?

Re: Luca App: CCC calls for a moratorium

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This is amazing. There should be hacker clubs in each country double checking all suspicious public procurements.

CCC in Germany does really fantastic work and they are well recognized in the public. And they have some friends. Years ago, the club was moving from Berlin to Hamburg, I think. They had an ongoing dispute whether they are, tax-wise, recognized as a charitable, non-profit entity (many associations in Germany are recognizes as non-profits, but for some that are politically inconvenient, such as the Deutsche Umwelthilfe (DUH) [1], the tax administration as well as politicians are trying to dispute their tax exemption).

Then they got a mailing where somebody mailed them an entire collection of correspondence between the tax administration and other government bodies which was apparently intended to be sent to the Hamburg tax administration. It detailed how they were trying to actively put obstacles to financing the CCC's work. Apparently, that mailing went accidentally to CCC, which was not the intended address....

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Environmental_Action_Germany#P...

Re: Luca App: CCC calls for a moratorium

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post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You're saying exactly the same thing as me: There are very few independent hacker spaces (in most cities, none), unlike in Germany and Norway where that is the norm.

Maybe this is a naive question since I’ve never been involved in a hacker/computer club but why is a dedicated space required? Does the club usually purchase hardware/equipment that needs to be stored? I suppose I always assumed the members brought their own equipment to meetings. You know, the more I think about it, I’m not really sure I have any idea what a computer club actually is and does...

It's a space to hang out and meet people, where you can talk about and tinker with technology.

Only socializing online is just not the same.

Re: Luca App: CCC calls for a moratorium

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post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You're saying exactly the same thing as me: There are very few independent hacker spaces (in most cities, none), unlike in Germany and Norway where that is the norm.

CCC isn't a hacker space as I understand the term. CCC is a club of security experts. hacker spaces are communal spaces where you can tinker with peers using provided tools.

In Germany the CCC has a lot of physical clubs where people hang out. They have some specialised equipment, but are from my limited experience more social spaces for cohacking, giving talks, etc. There's also the chaos communication congress, with is a big hacker festival/conference (by the same group of people), run by I think the same org, and I've never fully understood how one navigates the identical acronyms...
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