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how will they be forced?
When Google will remove ability to switch Floc on or off from the code of Chrome browser and all it's mods.
Brave would hard fork Chromium rather than go along with something like that
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#182Earlier quoted context omitted.
Your "about" clearly states it: Some say I argue on the internet too much, but those people are wrong. I don't know what you do/sell on said websites, but if you still have a job it means that those who hired you haven't received (enough) complaints yet.
I am not sure about that. Usually, when people only use Chrome to test and develop; Firefox/Safari users end up with problems. When someone tests on Firefox; things usually end up working on Chrome without problems. This might be due to Firefox users being more aware of standards than just "whatever runs on Chrome today", or because Google tends to ship non-standard behaviour with their browser and make it a "standar…
This. I develop against firefox only, internal apps for my company. It's been many years since something was funtionally crippled in Chrome. At worst some ugly UI elements.
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#183Earlier quoted context omitted.
I know this is sarcasm and I also know we’ll see a Show HN with just this in a few weeks (AI blockchain driven!)
Well ... it is a good idea. When I reread some of my comments, I realize that I often drop words. A fair number of times the meaning is the opposite of what I intended to say. Those cases usually contradict the rest of my post so people should be able to figure out the intended meaning, but it would be nice if it didn't happen in the first place.
I’ve noticed that iPhone autocomplete has at least some rudimentary intelligence built in - at the “Spell a word a certain way a few times and it begins to not correct it” level. It’d be nice for that to improve (instead of always replacing “an” with “and”).
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#184I use Firefox. So does my family. Everything I make for personal use works in Firefox and I don't bother testing with anything else. However, almost every web site or web app I make in my professional capacity gets tested with, and is expected to work with, ~95% of browsers. That means testing against Chrome, Firefox, Edge, Opera, UC Browser, Samsung Internet, and Internet Explorer. Edit: I forgot to add Safari, whic…
I believe tracking people is unethical and I believe Googles FLoC is unethical because it sole purpose is for tracking. Browser Cookies are inherently more ethical when used properly. More of my public thoughts here: https://www.remarkbox.com/remarkbox-is-now-pay-what-you-can....
You are asking for sanity and ethics on the net. From advertisers. You must be insane.
I don't like this FLoC proposal either but to me I see it as a small leap in saying goodbye to mass cross-site spying that has been uncontrollably rampant with no present working solutions.
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#185Multiple profiles have never been well implemented in any other browser. It's the only feature keeping me on Chrome.
I actually love how multiple profiles are implemented in Firefox.
I have a keybinding on my system to launch "firefox -P" so that I can pick which profile to launch an instance of right away. I juggle between 5 different profiles at any time and it works exactly as I'd like it to. Additionally, it is much easier to do than setting up a complex multi-account container setup.
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#186I generally am on the pro-Firefox, anti-Chrome train, but there is one practical exception: websites that make use of in-browser audio synthesis often (in my experience) just don't work in Firefox. Audible Genius's Building Blocks course has a in-browser DAW that you need to use Chrome for. Flowkey (browser-based piano lessons) also only works in Chrome, as far as I've been able to figure out. So to anyone with an in…
> websites that make use of in-browser audio synthesis often (in my experience) just don't work in Firefox.
How recently have you tried this? Firefox added AudioWorklet in v76 [1] and it's very well done.
[1] https://hacks.mozilla.org/2020/05/firefox-76-audio-worklets-...
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#187Re: DuckDuckGo Extension to Block FLoC, Google’s New Tracking Method in Chrome
#188I use Firefox. So does my family. Everything I make for personal use works in Firefox and I don't bother testing with anything else. However, almost every web site or web app I make in my professional capacity gets tested with, and is expected to work with, ~95% of browsers. That means testing against Chrome, Firefox, Edge, Opera, UC Browser, Samsung Internet, and Internet Explorer. Edit: I forgot to add Safari, whic…
I believe tracking people is unethical and I believe Googles FLoC is unethical because it sole purpose is for tracking. Browser Cookies are inherently more ethical when used properly. More of my public thoughts here: https://www.remarkbox.com/remarkbox-is-now-pay-what-you-can....
I thought the purpose was specifically to allow google to build ad profiles without direct tracking of individuals?
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#189I have (mild) worries about privacy from all over the tech spectrum in our day and age, and I can understand people having these worries about big tech such as Google, Microsoft, Facebook, Amazon, Mastercard, Walmart, but the list must spread all over the space of tech, devtech, socialtech, fintech, edutech, insurancetech, govtech, medtech, citytech, and whathaveyoutech.
The problem is not constrained to Google Chrome, and the problem is certainly not solved by "taking side" in a made-up rivalry of Google Search and Duck Duck Go (childish to say the least)!
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#190Earlier quoted context omitted.
I'll leave this quote from the EFF article on FloC[1] > Google’s pitch to privacy advocates is that a world with FLoC (and other elements of the “privacy sandbox”) will be better than the world we have today, where data brokers and ad-tech giants track and profile with impunity. But that framing is based on a false premise that we have to choose between “old tracking” and “new tracking.” It’s not either-or. Instead o…
To me it seems FLoC is more about trying to stop a fingerprinting arms race between browsers and adtech, as will happen if third party cookies are removed and no other alternative is provided. In an ideal world adtech companies would just hold up their hands and say 'games up, on to something else' but it's an industry worth hundreds of billions of dollars so if the more honest players leave the shadier companies wil…
Part of the problem is that I don't believe FLoC will stop a fingerprinting arms race.
FLoC in many ways makes it easier to fingerprint users, and I don't think that advertisers are going to look at the brand new opportunity FLoC-enhanced fingerprinting presents and just leave it sitting there untouched. There's nothing built into the FLoC spec that prevents advertisers from adding in additional fingerprinting on top of FLoC, and we've been down this road already with stuff like DNT. If any technology at all can be abused for fingerprinting, they'll abuse it. The market they're in doesn't allow them to have restraint, somebody will cross the line and then everyone else will follow under the excuse of being competitive.
So I'm just not willing to give advertisers the benefit of the doubt anymore, or to assume that if we meet them halfway they'll be satisfied. They've already burned that bridge, I'm not inclined to keep offering them new bridges to burn.