Live data from Hacker News

DevSkiller IT skills report 2021: Demand and hiring trends

devskiller.com

51–60 of 168 posts

Re: DevSkiller IT skills report 2021: Demand and hiring trends

#51
> In other words, only 10% of developers from the given country scored higher in their coding tests than the results you see below. We made this change because the mean score includes outliers that often influence averages and skew results.

That feels risky?

Re: DevSkiller IT skills report 2021: Demand and hiring trends

#52

Do you know what is a real shame? This statistic doesn't really correlate with the highest quality output. Most of them who stay put in Australia never really get to put their skills to good use. Our digital landscape is quite conservative & somewhat arguably boring, consisting of mainly traditional finance/banking & insurance - and we all know how these companies work internally (digital as a cost centre). Don't get…

>Most of the good devs with half an inkling go overseas No they don't. Because not everything is about money. Life in Australia is just better than some war zone in California.

There are plenty of places that aren't California that still pay double or triple the salary that devs make in Australia

Re: DevSkiller IT skills report 2021: Demand and hiring trends

#53
post #42

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>Most of the good devs with half an inkling go overseas No they don't. Because not everything is about money. Life in Australia is just better than some war zone in California.

Where exactly is this war zone in California...? Growing up in the sticks I'd heard so much about it and had hilariously low expectations when I went out for an internship, but then I found out that it's a fucking amazing place. I swear there's got to be a decades long campaign to make outsiders think the place is terrible in an attempt to keep density down. Honestly, I'd be perfectly happy if so. Don't want my parag…

I lived near 5th and Market and walked to a tech company I love very much near Giants Stadium. This is a short walk. One place I regularly walked by was the site of a random slaying by a person who had been released from prison after being arrested for randomly assaulting people in the same place years before.

Re: DevSkiller IT skills report 2021: Demand and hiring trends

#54

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Couldn’t agree with this post more. I left Australia 6 years ago and work for a FAANG earning 5x-7x in London than I would in Australia as a PM. Most Australian tech companies are mundane and boring. They lack ambition because the base quality of life is just so damn good.

> They lack ambition because the base quality of life is just so damn good. Do you really see this as a negative?

Well, I see some of my friends who just chill and make 400k for some FAANG and living pretty sad and pathetic lives. They are content with mediocrity. They have good jobs and make good money but will never earn great money and will never have great jobs. However, they are happy and content, which is more than I can say.

But then, sometimes I think I am the sad one, because I always want more and will never be happy with anything I have.

I've meet people who totally agree with my mindset and those that agree with my friends mindset, it really does seem to be a fundamental difference among people.

Re: DevSkiller IT skills report 2021: Demand and hiring trends

#55
post #42

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>Most of the good devs with half an inkling go overseas No they don't. Because not everything is about money. Life in Australia is just better than some war zone in California.

Where exactly is this war zone in California...? Growing up in the sticks I'd heard so much about it and had hilariously low expectations when I went out for an internship, but then I found out that it's a fucking amazing place. I swear there's got to be a decades long campaign to make outsiders think the place is terrible in an attempt to keep density down. Honestly, I'd be perfectly happy if so. Don't want my parag…

> Where exactly is this war zone in California...?

No idea how universal these things are in all of California, but nearly every Australian that visits LA and a few other areas come back with stories about hearing gunshots from the hotel, accidentally ending up in a seedy/crime ridden part of town or something similar. This is very alien to us and more in line with what we'd see on the news from Somalia. Statistics like homicide rates and gun crime show there's at least some truth it.

We're also a fairly egalitarian society, so much more likely to judge other nations on how well off the poorest are and not the richest.

Re: DevSkiller IT skills report 2021: Demand and hiring trends

#56
post #42

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>Most of the good devs with half an inkling go overseas No they don't. Because not everything is about money. Life in Australia is just better than some war zone in California.

Where exactly is this war zone in California...? Growing up in the sticks I'd heard so much about it and had hilariously low expectations when I went out for an internship, but then I found out that it's a fucking amazing place. I swear there's got to be a decades long campaign to make outsiders think the place is terrible in an attempt to keep density down. Honestly, I'd be perfectly happy if so. Don't want my parag…

People in San Francisco will threaten you with violence just for wearing a nice-looking jacket. Nothing about that is healthy.

Re: DevSkiller IT skills report 2021: Demand and hiring trends

#57
"australian developers score the highest on coding tests administered by companies in new zealand that refer to all software development as IT and are most popular amongst people who run windows and work for IT outsourcing companies like thoughtworks" - should be the title.

australians actually do cool stuff, they invented and commercialized the cochlear implant! as mentioned in comments here though, a lot i think get relegated to consulting or IT type stuff to support existing business.

Re: DevSkiller IT skills report 2021: Demand and hiring trends

#58
post #14

I am wildly suspicious of this data. How could it possibly be audited? The presenter of the data has obvious ulterior motives to make something up where the data is inadequate or flat out lie to support their business. The hook got them in here (that's not a dev test, that's a dev test), so well played. But shouldn't we just dismiss all of this as yet more BS until they can show otherwise. It's far, far too clean.

I think their motive is to create buzz for their platform. You have a clickbaity article that will put people against each other, people will share it with snark remarks on reddit and so on. Not much reason to lie on the data though, it could very well be just pulled from some internal dashboard for less work.

Re: DevSkiller IT skills report 2021: Demand and hiring trends

#59
post #42

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>Most of the good devs with half an inkling go overseas No they don't. Because not everything is about money. Life in Australia is just better than some war zone in California.

Where exactly is this war zone in California...? Growing up in the sticks I'd heard so much about it and had hilariously low expectations when I went out for an internship, but then I found out that it's a fucking amazing place. I swear there's got to be a decades long campaign to make outsiders think the place is terrible in an attempt to keep density down. Honestly, I'd be perfectly happy if so. Don't want my parag…

While I agree that the other poster was being a bit dramatic, it's no stretch to say that California performs objectively poorer in a number of areas that people tend to pay attention to. Just take one crime - the murder rates in California are 4.3 per 100,000 and only 0.8 in Australia.

I can see why some people could see a 450% increase in the likelihood of being murdered as a comparitive warzone.

Post reply on HN