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DevSkiller IT skills report 2021: Demand and hiring trends

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Re: DevSkiller IT skills report 2021: Demand and hiring trends

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Post by bonjourmr »

Do you know what is a real shame? This statistic doesn't really correlate with the highest quality output.

Most of them who stay put in Australia never really get to put their skills to good use. Our digital landscape is quite conservative & somewhat arguably boring, consisting of mainly traditional finance/banking & insurance - and we all know how these companies work internally (digital as a cost centre).

Don't get me wrong, there are a few startups floating around who are growing up e.g., Canva, Campaign Monitor, Atlassian (for which I'd argue is a US company), but even the bigger ones only hire a couple of thousand on-shore devs a piece. Most of the good devs with half an inkling go overseas when they finish Uni to earn good coin and work on far more shaping stuff.

I think we are risk-averse in Australia due to life being pretty good on average here (so what's the point?), which is fine, but more jarringly; the Government do very little to assist or incentivise entrepreneurs. I wish they did more, we'd see way more talent remain here and plenty of more ideas come to life!

Re: DevSkiller IT skills report 2021: Demand and hiring trends

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Post by andykx »

smnrchrds wrote: post #9
jpgvm wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Sydney is more expensive than Silicon Valley so if anything it's an even worse comparison than it seems on the surface.

I find that hard to believe. Do you perhaps mean compared to local wages? https://www.numbeo.com/cost-of-living/compare_cities.jsp?cou...

I don't wish to refute your central point, but I've been told in the past that numbeo.com is not a reliable source.

Re: DevSkiller IT skills report 2021: Demand and hiring trends

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Post by schappim »

smnrchrds wrote: post #9
jpgvm wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Sydney is more expensive than Silicon Valley so if anything it's an even worse comparison than it seems on the surface.

I find that hard to believe. Do you perhaps mean compared to local wages? https://www.numbeo.com/cost-of-living/compare_cities.jsp?cou...

As a Sydney-sider, these numbers are not matching my lived experience.

Re: DevSkiller IT skills report 2021: Demand and hiring trends

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Post by harry8 »

I am wildly suspicious of this data. How could it possibly be audited? The presenter of the data has obvious ulterior motives to make something up where the data is inadequate or flat out lie to support their business.

The hook got them in here (that's not a dev test, that's a dev test), so well played. But shouldn't we just dismiss all of this as yet more BS until they can show otherwise. It's far, far too clean.

Re: DevSkiller IT skills report 2021: Demand and hiring trends

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Post by girvo »

jpgvm wrote: post #6
shric wrote: post #4

> Switzerland $95,753 Australia $85,167 Denmark $73,017 United States $71,858 This is a bit misleading taken at face value as the US has loads of smaller cities with far lower cost of living whereas almost all of Australia's software jobs are in Sydney, Melbourne and smaller capitals. The Silicon Valley wages are at least twice as good as Sydney and nowhere near a proportional cost of living increase.

Sydney is more expensive than Silicon Valley so if anything it's an even worse comparison than it seems on the surface.

Brisbane isn't quite as painful, and there's plenty of work in SEQ with excellent salaries. Though I'm biased: I love it here!

Aside from that, and this isn't Australia specific, but the acceptance of WFH over the last year across industries is quite exciting, with regards to reducing CoL.

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Post by shric »

bonjourmr wrote: post #11

Do you know what is a real shame? This statistic doesn't really correlate with the highest quality output. Most of them who stay put in Australia never really get to put their skills to good use. Our digital landscape is quite conservative & somewhat arguably boring, consisting of mainly traditional finance/banking & insurance - and we all know how these companies work internally (digital as a cost centre). Don't get…

To be fair we have it far easier in Sydney than over in Silicon Valley. For example most (but not all) Sydney Googlers choose to stay in Sydney even though they have the chance to relocate to e.g. Mountain View or Sunnyvale for more than double the comp. This is because of the work life balance and culture here in Sydney compared to over there.

(I worked at Google Sydney for 5 years)

Re: DevSkiller IT skills report 2021: Demand and hiring trends

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Post by ZephyrBlu »

shric wrote: post #16
bonjourmr wrote: post #11

Do you know what is a real shame? This statistic doesn't really correlate with the highest quality output. Most of them who stay put in Australia never really get to put their skills to good use. Our digital landscape is quite conservative & somewhat arguably boring, consisting of mainly traditional finance/banking & insurance - and we all know how these companies work internally (digital as a cost centre). Don't get…

To be fair we have it far easier in Sydney than over in Silicon Valley. For example most (but not all) Sydney Googlers choose to stay in Sydney even though they have the chance to relocate to e.g. Mountain View or Sunnyvale for more than double the comp. This is because of the work life balance and culture here in Sydney compared to over there. (I worked at Google Sydney for 5 years)

What are the differences in W/L balance and culture between SV and Sydney?

Re: DevSkiller IT skills report 2021: Demand and hiring trends

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Post by shric »

ZephyrBlu wrote: post #17
shric wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

To be fair we have it far easier in Sydney than over in Silicon Valley. For example most (but not all) Sydney Googlers choose to stay in Sydney even though they have the chance to relocate to e.g. Mountain View or Sunnyvale for more than double the comp. This is because of the work life balance and culture here in Sydney compared to over there. (I worked at Google Sydney for 5 years)

What are the differences in W/L balance and culture between SV and Sydney?

In Sydney It's generally fine to arrive at 9 and leave at 5 as long as you produce reasonable output. In SV I noticed almost everyone worked way over 40 hours per week, overtime was the expectation and the norm.

I would assume this is not across all teams in all cases, just my first hand experience and also second hand anecdotes from colleagues.

Re: DevSkiller IT skills report 2021: Demand and hiring trends

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Post by jlawer »

girvo wrote: post #15
jpgvm wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Sydney is more expensive than Silicon Valley so if anything it's an even worse comparison than it seems on the surface.

Brisbane isn't quite as painful, and there's plenty of work in SEQ with excellent salaries. Though I'm biased: I love it here! Aside from that, and this isn't Australia specific, but the acceptance of WFH over the last year across industries is quite exciting, with regards to reducing CoL.

Biggest problem with Brisbane is due to being a smaller market, there is there a fewer jobs available for less popular languages. Python & Go are finally seeing decent growth, but proportionally local roles are much more focused on JS, Java, C# & PHP.
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