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YouTube suspends account for linking to a PhD research on WPA2 vulnerability
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Re: YouTube suspends account for linking to a PhD research on WPA2 vulnerability
#32Maybe it's time for a public company-independent complains-platform where all companies are obliged by law to respond. Each complaint of course is hidden behind some anti-bot captcha/protection so that the companies themselve can't use AI to answer your complaints.
That's basically what the author suggests when they say:
> Anyhow, I truly believe humanity has to rollback to operating at a human scale.
It's impossible to operate a complaints-platform on a global scale if it's run by humans. According to GMI [0], 500 hours of content are uploaded every minute.
Given an average video duration of about 12 minutes [1], that would be 2500 videos per hour. That's just too much to manually review and handle complaints.
[0] https://www.globalmediainsight.com/blog/youtube-users-statis...
[1] https://www.statista.com/statistics/1026923/youtube-video-ca...
Re: YouTube suspends account for linking to a PhD research on WPA2 vulnerability
#33>Anyhow, I truly believe humanity has to rollback to operating at a human scale. >Using algorithms to flag content is totally fine… problem is when humans cannot interact with humans anymore and AI gets to chose what is right and wrong. Can't agree more.
The thing is, we have to make sure we're OK with the consequences of going this way. Would people be happy to wait for days, maybe weeks, for their video to be approved for upload to YouTube? Would that work with the current society's attention span? Is YouTube as we know it actually feasible without AI-based moderation? Can it be a sustainable business with an army of human moderators and/or a drastically reduced sc…
I’d be shocked if the best and the brightest that Alphabet can buy can’t figure out a reputation system, manually-reviewed with AI assistance, or some other way to approve content in a convenient manner.
Don’t forget also that Alphabet is swimming in money. They can certainly afford the manpower to make it relatively seamless for the user. And I really doubt users can’t be trained to associate a few hours’ wait of a completely new, reputationless user, or a user who is using an unknown device or VPN, with a better quality of site experience because the videos are screened.
Re: YouTube suspends account for linking to a PhD research on WPA2 vulnerability
#34Earlier quoted context omitted.
What if... instead of YouTube you'd have several intereset based sites which could actually handle their moderation and workload instead of being a giant uncaring behemoth?
>What if... instead of YouTube you'd have several intereset based sites which could actually handle their moderation and workload instead of being a giant uncaring behemoth? What if... the average viewer was willing to pay for video content instead of requiring a free, unprofitable service run as a "Free add-on" to an Ad Empire? Youtube may finally be profitable in the past few years but the first 90% of its existenc…
> What if... the average viewer was willing to pay for video content
That would solve all of our problems, wouldn't it? Too bad there's likely always going to be someone willing to offer the same service for free + ads and/or selling users data. Unless people start valuing their privacy/data much more than they do at the moment (or regulation comes in), it's just wishful thinking.
Re: YouTube suspends account for linking to a PhD research on WPA2 vulnerability
#35YouTube, like most of the "Internet" these days it's just a shopping center. It appears to be the Universe because these sites/companies are so massive but at the end of the day it's their turf and they do what they want. Now, once they reach a certain scale, why are they allowed to operate like a "normal small company"?
>Now, once they reach a certain scale, why are they allowed to operate like a "normal small company"?
There was and is a push to make them behave more like a utility (i.e. a platform). Mainstream media, along with a major political party, are on a crusade to make these tech platform be more and more of an editor because they like that currently their competition (in case of media) and political rivals (in case of Democrats) are bearing the brunt of the censorship.
And you can see this push even here on HN with constant references to how evil Facebook and Twitter is because memes on those platforms caused Hillary to lose in 2016, and therefore how misinformation is such a big problem that more censorship is needed. I don't know how you fix that. These platforms didn't want to do this. They got bullied into it.
Re: YouTube suspends account for linking to a PhD research on WPA2 vulnerability
#36Earlier quoted context omitted.
Tech is very special in a way where they can get away with claiming that quite a lot is not possible at their scale. Imagine this for other industries. "We cannot do quality control before sending products out. We make too much stuff." "We don't check all tickets for the venue. Too many people." "Cleaning the entire building is not possible. It's too much space."
All the examples you provide have to do with tangible, physical things. Tech is in some sense special because we're dealing with intangibles. It costs a bad actor next to nothing to upload the same video with harmful content to YouTube a thousand times, a million times even. And YouTube has to deal with all of this. That's why they still use physical ballots in most elections: as soon as you're dealing with physical…
But a bad actor can only do so much if manual reviews are involved. If they’re a completely new account because their previous accounts have been banned, accessing on a new device because their previous Alphabet-surveilled fingerprint had been banned, or on a VPN because their IP has been banned, YouTube could just implement manual review which would slow such a bad actor down. And if the intent is to clog up the manual review process with whatever copies of a single illegal video Alphabet we already have technology that is used to automatically identify specific videos or images and remove them, usually for purposes of preventing the spread of illegal depictions of children.
Re: YouTube suspends account for linking to a PhD research on WPA2 vulnerability
#37Maybe it's time for a public company-independent complains-platform where all companies are obliged by law to respond. Each complaint of course is hidden behind some anti-bot captcha/protection so that the companies themselve can't use AI to answer your complaints.
https://ec.europa.eu/info/law/law-topic/data-protection/refo...
I dunno, where's the evidence this case was even done by AI? People just say Google does everything with computers when they actually use armies of contractors.
Re: YouTube suspends account for linking to a PhD research on WPA2 vulnerability
#38>Anyhow, I truly believe humanity has to rollback to operating at a human scale. >Using algorithms to flag content is totally fine… problem is when humans cannot interact with humans anymore and AI gets to chose what is right and wrong. Can't agree more.
The thing is, we have to make sure we're OK with the consequences of going this way. Would people be happy to wait for days, maybe weeks, for their video to be approved for upload to YouTube? Would that work with the current society's attention span? Is YouTube as we know it actually feasible without AI-based moderation? Can it be a sustainable business with an army of human moderators and/or a drastically reduced sc…
I think the argument is framed as wanting a human during take down dispute, not pre-approval. There's no need to treat this as an absolute. Why are human contact and reasonable expediency considered mutually exclusive? There is a lot of room in the middle. Can allow human dispute resolution for non-free accounts (i.e. paid or earning). Can limit upload frequency site wide while dispute/abuse queues are backed up (knowing YouTube would be incentivized to prevent backup). Can have non-profit reviewer company that charge very minimal amounts for human review. Etc.
Let's be clear, the lack of humans anywhere in the pipeline for uploaders is because they don't have to, not because it is impossible. Having said that, I really hope we do not see government intervention here.
Re: YouTube suspends account for linking to a PhD research on WPA2 vulnerability
#39Earlier quoted context omitted.
export all of your email to Protonmail and stop sucking on that Google breast
I'm seriously considering it, but I'm a heavy IMAP user. When you enable IMAP in ProtonMail, it's no different than any other mail provider, security wise. This is the dilemma for me.
Other people have made good points. Just wanted to add: you'll feel better knowing you're no longer vulnerable to Google. It's a nice feeling of relief knowing Google could cancel my account tomorrow and I wouldn't be hurt in any substantial way. Definitely worth the effort to move your email to an independent provider.
Re: YouTube suspends account for linking to a PhD research on WPA2 vulnerability
#40tube has been censoring folks left and right since the start of covid