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Is not using the shipping address for any other reason than shipping an order really that much more effort? Sure, protecting that information is more effort, but you should be doing that already, right? not just from a GDPR perspective but a business perspective too - if a competitor can get a list of all your clients and send them brochures with 10% discount on your prices, you'll close down pretty quick.
> not just from a GDPR perspective but a business perspective too - if a competitor can get a list of all your clients and send them brochures with 10% discount on your prices, you'll close down pretty quick. Link to this ever happening pre-GDPR?
The Vivaldi browser will not support Google’s FLoC
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Re: The Vivaldi browser will not support Google’s FLoC
#142I’m sure there has to be a better way to introduce the audience to FLoC. I’m over five paragraphs in and the article hasn’t properly articulated what is FLoC and _why_ it is bad. Just that it is bad.
The EFF article helped me: https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2021/03/googles-floc-terrible-...
Re: The Vivaldi browser will not support Google’s FLoC
#143I don't see how the entire FLoC concept can succeed. There is zero incentive for Chromium forks, let alone any other browser vendor, to implement/leave-in this technology. For other browser vendors, it is zero-effort to not support it. For Chromium forks, implementing it is zero effort but also comes with the same negative gain it would have for other vendors (that end-users are blind to). Unless you consider "more r…
Re: The Vivaldi browser will not support Google’s FLoC
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Old folks don't download Chrome, their sucker children do. Those who are too frail to lift the koolaid cup to their mouths shall be aided by their brethren. But also Chrome isn't super hard to install anyway and the dark patterns "help" with the process. Go on Google.com with MS Edge and it'll tell you Chrome will give you a faster, more betterer Internet. It must be pretty convincing to hear that from the de facto a…
Yeah. If I open Google docs with Gnome Epiphany, I get a message that says IE is no longer supported. IE? And until recently, Vivaldi had all sorts of issues on google websites, even though it’s chromium. https://vivaldi.com/blog/user-agent-changes/
> We also often encounter websites that block the exact string “Vivaldi”, with no contact or warning to us. This is particularly problematic when the larger technology behemoths (some of whom we directly compete with in the browser space) do this
Re: The Vivaldi browser will not support Google’s FLoC
#145I don't see how the entire FLoC concept can succeed. There is zero incentive for Chromium forks, let alone any other browser vendor, to implement/leave-in this technology. For other browser vendors, it is zero-effort to not support it. For Chromium forks, implementing it is zero effort but also comes with the same negative gain it would have for other vendors (that end-users are blind to). Unless you consider "more r…
>There is zero incentive for Chromium forks, let alone any other browser vendor, to implement/leave-in this technology. Chrome has a 60-70% market share on its own. Most people don’t even know the difference between “the internet” “the www” and “chrome” So, there is zero incentive for the 30% of non-chrome browsers, but most of the people who don’t use adblockers anyway will be sucked into this.
Re: The Vivaldi browser will not support Google’s FLoC
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I just don't like how FLoC was implemented. No opt-in or opt-out consent. Written completely by Google employees. Not approved by Privacy Interest Group, Web Technical Architecture Group, or WICG. No control over which cohort you are in, despite being able to add this feature. If it was complemented with a Privacy Budget API– each privacy-losing API call costs budget and there is a limit– to eliminate other factors f…
How exactly could it be implemented though? EFF and Firefox immediately started a session attacking anything similar to it and demanding that ALL targeting ads stop. There doesn't seem to be space for dialog or a common standard here, either Google does it or they fail and Firefox and privacy wins the world!
If I browse stackoverflow I'm probably looking for some saas, or tech related, or a react training course on a react question. If I browse game sites maybe I want a MMORPG promo or time card sale.
I don't want to see an ad to buy more toilets after having purchased a toilet once a month ago that is supposed to last decades. On every single site. For the next year.
Re: The Vivaldi browser will not support Google’s FLoC
#147Earlier quoted context omitted.
>There is zero incentive for Chromium forks, let alone any other browser vendor, to implement/leave-in this technology. Chrome has a 60-70% market share on its own. Most people don’t even know the difference between “the internet” “the www” and “chrome” So, there is zero incentive for the 30% of non-chrome browsers, but most of the people who don’t use adblockers anyway will be sucked into this.
It took ~ ten days to convince my family to move from IE to Firefox. I was about 11 years old at the time. People do not have strong attachments to their web browser. If you show them a viable alternative with tangible benefits, they might switch to it.
I was there using Firefox.
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A bit off topic but I'd love to see a sort of ML/AI feature where "related discussions" can be added automatically for added context, I appreciate you do this manually and I find it very useful to get more of an idea of the relevance/importance of a topic! (Maybe even a "HN search found 3 possibly related threads")
Why would that need ML? PageRank has worked for ages for this problem.
Re: The Vivaldi browser will not support Google’s FLoC
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100% of a browsers revenue comes from advertising. Nobody pays $24.95 for a boxed copy of Netscape Navigator anymore. In negotiating an exclusive search advertising deal, not supporting FLoC will decrease the overall value of the browsers users to the ad network.
Brave runs their own ad network. So does Edge. Firefox makes their money through search engine placement and donations. I don't think these browsers being less valued on another company's ad network is actually a loss for them.
Chromium-Edge was forked after I left MS, but from what I gathered the higher-ups were aware of how far-behind MSHTML+EdgeHTML was, and it was getting worse with each Chrome release. One major problem was the rise in the popularity of NodeJS and Electron: both of which trounced Windows’ Chakra engine and legacy HTA platform (and no-one was building for “Windows Store HTML” for obvious reasons), especially on ARM (IIRC, Chakra didn’t JIT on ARM).
Anyway, Microsoft’s problem is they don’t want to lose the web to Google because they recognise the web is now “the platform”, including desktop “web” apps running in Electron. Any business knows it’s a liability to have dependencies on your competitors. The plan, originally, was to base Edge on Chromium, then built it into the OS, so desktop apps can use modern Chromium features in a build optimised for Windows and the user’s computer without needing 200MB+ Electron packages and 400MB RAM and dozens of separate processes for what should be a trusted application.
...however that still hasn’t panned-out yet. Which I find concerning because I thought Microsoft would treat Chromium the way Apple treats Safari: a browser that puts the user - and their privacy - first, because Microsoft isn’t Google and doesn’t significantly benefit from tracking users over the web.
...but they have been. Edge’s privacy stats are almost as bad as Chrome’s. I’m guessing some GP or VP from the Bing org had a word with OSG’s VPs and convinced them to compromise Edge to benefit Bing despite the overall damage to the Microsoft brand and eliminating possibly the most important advantage Edge had over Chrome.
Re: The Vivaldi browser will not support Google’s FLoC
#150I don't see how the entire FLoC concept can succeed. There is zero incentive for Chromium forks, let alone any other browser vendor, to implement/leave-in this technology. For other browser vendors, it is zero-effort to not support it. For Chromium forks, implementing it is zero effort but also comes with the same negative gain it would have for other vendors (that end-users are blind to). Unless you consider "more r…
100% of a browsers revenue comes from advertising. Nobody pays $24.95 for a boxed copy of Netscape Navigator anymore. In negotiating an exclusive search advertising deal, not supporting FLoC will decrease the overall value of the browsers users to the ad network.
I know Opera got their revenue from licensing their engine to Nintendo and other OEMs, as well as with Opera Mini. But since they switched to WebKit (like everyone else...) they can’t license-away their browser, so what’s their business model?