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The Vivaldi browser will not support Google’s FLoC

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Re: The Vivaldi browser will not support Google’s FLoC

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Post by PAGAN_WIZARD »

galangalalgol wrote: post #49
1vuio0pswjnm7 wrote: post #28

"Please switch to a browser that supports FLoC to view this page." [Links to Chrome, etc.] "This website requires a browser that supports FLoC. Please install one of the folllowing compatible browsers: " [Links for Chrome, etc.] "We've detected you are using a browser that does not support FLoC. Please update your browser to use this website." [Links to Chrome, etc.] "Your browser is outdated! Please upgrade." [Links…

I'd love to ditch javascript entirely. Is there an android browser that supports that?

firefox on android supports noscript

Re: The Vivaldi browser will not support Google’s FLoC

#52

Post by laurowyn »

sanxiyn wrote: post #39
Etheryte wrote: post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't see what you mean. It's very easy to be GDPR compliant, just don't track your users. In fact, it's more work to be non-compliant than to be compliant.

That depends on what you are doing. If you are doing ecommerce, you need shipping address. GDPR does add work in this case.

Is not using the shipping address for any other reason than shipping an order really that much more effort?

Sure, protecting that information is more effort, but you should be doing that already, right? not just from a GDPR perspective but a business perspective too - if a competitor can get a list of all your clients and send them brochures with 10% discount on your prices, you'll close down pretty quick.

Re: The Vivaldi browser will not support Google’s FLoC

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Post by kristofferR »

Emendo wrote: post #47
1vuio0pswjnm7 wrote: post #28

"Please switch to a browser that supports FLoC to view this page." [Links to Chrome, etc.] "This website requires a browser that supports FLoC. Please install one of the folllowing compatible browsers: " [Links for Chrome, etc.] "We've detected you are using a browser that does not support FLoC. Please update your browser to use this website." [Links to Chrome, etc.] "Your browser is outdated! Please upgrade." [Links…

At this point, the only browser that could ignore FLoC without being blocked by website is Safari. If Safari chooses not to implement FLoC, it might be sufficient to prevent web developers from blocking other non-FLoC browsers. All of this rest on Apple standing up for privacy through.. so watch for any announcements from Apple.

Privacy has been Apple's thing the last few years though, very unlike that they implement FLoC.

Re: The Vivaldi browser will not support Google’s FLoC

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Post by gsich »

domano wrote: post #9
paxys wrote: post #4

> The FLoC component in Chrome needs to call Google’s servers to check if it can function since Google is only enabling it in parts of the world that are not covered by Europe’s GDPR This is all you should need to know about it.

Man GDPR is such a pain to implement and UX-wise, but it seems to actually have improved personal data protection.

It's not. For non-essential stuff you need permission from your user. So don't track and you don't need to show a cookie banner even if you use cookies.

Re: The Vivaldi browser will not support Google’s FLoC

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Post by lmkg »

jereees wrote: post #10

I’m sure there has to be a better way to introduce the audience to FLoC. I’m over five paragraphs in and the article hasn’t properly articulated what is FLoC and _why_ it is bad. Just that it is bad.

The primary intended audience for this article is people Googling either "does vivaldi use floc" or "what browsers don't have floc." The secondary audience is giving Vivaldi fans an easy way to answer when someone asks those same questions on social media. So it's mostly targeted at people who have at least a vague idea already what FLoC is. And for that audience, the content flow is ideal: the article leads with a direct at straightforward answer to the question at hand.

Re: The Vivaldi browser will not support Google’s FLoC

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Post by pkaye »

zimbatm wrote: post #53

A better strategy would be to pretend to be in favor of FLoC until 3rd-party cookies are all eliminated. Since the FLoC ID is generated on the client side, it then becomes super easy to return fake ones to the website. :-D

You can already block third party cookies in Chrome (and probably other browsers.)

Re: The Vivaldi browser will not support Google’s FLoC

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Post by Ajedi32 »

mixedCase wrote: post #45
1vuio0pswjnm7 wrote: post #28

"Please switch to a browser that supports FLoC to view this page." [Links to Chrome, etc.] "This website requires a browser that supports FLoC. Please install one of the folllowing compatible browsers: " [Links for Chrome, etc.] "We've detected you are using a browser that does not support FLoC. Please update your browser to use this website." [Links to Chrome, etc.] "Your browser is outdated! Please upgrade." [Links…

Is FLoC built in a way where you couldn't just feed websites fake data?

You definitely could. Though apparently in incognito mode it's recommended that browsers just throw an exception rather than provide fake data: https://github.com/WICG/floc/blob/dcd4c042fa6a81b048e04a78b1...

Re: The Vivaldi browser will not support Google’s FLoC

#59

Post by bserge »

sanxiyn wrote: post #39
Etheryte wrote: post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't see what you mean. It's very easy to be GDPR compliant, just don't track your users. In fact, it's more work to be non-compliant than to be compliant.

That depends on what you are doing. If you are doing ecommerce, you need shipping address. GDPR does add work in this case.

Amazing how people won't spare a minute to enter their details every time they place an order.

To them, I'd say "order with Amazon, then", but sadly that's a lot of lost clients.

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