"Please switch to a browser that supports FLoC to view this page." [Links to Chrome, etc.] "This website requires a browser that supports FLoC. Please install one of the folllowing compatible browsers: " [Links for Chrome, etc.] "We've detected you are using a browser that does not support FLoC. Please update your browser to use this website." [Links to Chrome, etc.] "Your browser is outdated! Please upgrade." [Links…
I'd love to ditch javascript entirely. Is there an android browser that supports that?
The Vivaldi browser will not support Google’s FLoC
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Re: The Vivaldi browser will not support Google’s FLoC
#92Earlier quoted context omitted.
At this point, the only browser that could ignore FLoC without being blocked by website is Safari. If Safari chooses not to implement FLoC, it might be sufficient to prevent web developers from blocking other non-FLoC browsers. All of this rest on Apple standing up for privacy through.. so watch for any announcements from Apple.
Why wouldn't sites that rely on FLoC block Safari if the browser doesn't implement it?
Re: The Vivaldi browser will not support Google’s FLoC
#93Earlier quoted context omitted.
At this point, the only browser that could ignore FLoC without being blocked by website is Safari. If Safari chooses not to implement FLoC, it might be sufficient to prevent web developers from blocking other non-FLoC browsers. All of this rest on Apple standing up for privacy through.. so watch for any announcements from Apple.
Why wouldn't sites that rely on FLoC block Safari if the browser doesn't implement it?
Re: The Vivaldi browser will not support Google’s FLoC
#94Earlier quoted context omitted.
At this point, the only browser that could ignore FLoC without being blocked by website is Safari. If Safari chooses not to implement FLoC, it might be sufficient to prevent web developers from blocking other non-FLoC browsers. All of this rest on Apple standing up for privacy through.. so watch for any announcements from Apple.
Why wouldn't sites that rely on FLoC block Safari if the browser doesn't implement it?
Which is just another reason – maybe even a responsibility of every web dev - to stop using chrome.
Re: The Vivaldi browser will not support Google’s FLoC
#95Earlier quoted context omitted.
Is FLoC built in a way where you couldn't just feed websites fake data?
You definitely could. Though apparently in incognito mode it's recommended that browsers just throw an exception rather than provide fake data: https://github.com/WICG/floc/blob/dcd4c042fa6a81b048e04a78b1...
Re: The Vivaldi browser will not support Google’s FLoC
#96Anyone using Vivaldi full-time? As a Firefox user, I find I have to install a number of third-party extensions to get some basic functionality that Vivaldi has out of the box (ad-blocking, note taking). Anyone made the switch, and, if so, can you share your experience?
Firefox:
- Multi-account Containers extension is amazing. I only use it for a handful of accounts, but it is very simple to use. This is probably the feature I miss most in Vivaldi.
- The interface integrates better with my DE (Cinnamon), and overall feels less cluttered. Vivaldi has some kind of bar on each edge of the window. Toggle UI (Ctrl+F11) helps to hide this, but Vivaldi does take more space away from the webpage.
- I use uBlock Origin for adblock which seems to block more than Vivaldi by default. Vivaldi's built-in blocker is really great though, and I haven't felt the need to install an extension for adblock in Vivaldi.
Vivaldi:
- I love the recent addition of a second tab bar[0], though I was skeptical at first. I can quickly stack tabs by host to declutter, and then see all the tabs on a second row with full details when I select the stack.
- The experimental builtin RSS[1] and Email panels are wonderful. Still some rough edges, but it is nice to not rely on another tool or service for RSS, and it is my favorite RSS reader I have used so far because it is simple and stays out of my way.
- Many more tab management features. Saving tabs as a session, tiling, stacking, periodic reload, etc. Not all features I use daily, but handy when I need it.
Overall, I've settled on using both browsers now. Each has strengths and weaknesses and I will use whichever helps me best in the moment. I'd say give it a try, and don't think about it as a switch, rather as a new tool.
Re: The Vivaldi browser will not support Google’s FLoC
#97Anyone using Vivaldi full-time? As a Firefox user, I find I have to install a number of third-party extensions to get some basic functionality that Vivaldi has out of the box (ad-blocking, note taking). Anyone made the switch, and, if so, can you share your experience?
On the built-in ad blocker, I don't use that on my computer (uBlock Origin is way better) but I do use it on my phone. I don't use notes either, IMO there's no good reason this should be part of a web browser.
The tab grouping is a cool feature. The ability to screenshot the entire page is also a cool feature, but there's a bug that causes it to capture anything with border-radius without anti-aliasing, I reported that as VB-56521 on 26/08/2019 and it still isn't fixed.
Overall, there's this lack of attention to detail that permeates all their products and sometimes drives you crazy, but it's still way better than all other browsers that redesign their UIs every several years for no benefit to the user.
Re: The Vivaldi browser will not support Google’s FLoC
#98"Please switch to a browser that supports FLoC to view this page." [Links to Chrome, etc.] "This website requires a browser that supports FLoC. Please install one of the folllowing compatible browsers: " [Links for Chrome, etc.] "We've detected you are using a browser that does not support FLoC. Please update your browser to use this website." [Links to Chrome, etc.] "Your browser is outdated! Please upgrade." [Links…
Once employees are also targeted and held responsible for their actions at law then we stand a chance of getting at least some of our internet back.
Google, Facebook and their cohorts are outrageous, they have been stealing our internet with complete impunity for over two decades like a metastasizing cancer. We users really do need to get proactive over this, if not then soon the internet will be effectively dead for many of us—we'll be left ghettoized in some outpost or alternatively we'll be forced to abandon it altogether. We may even need to resort to street demos or marches to convince politicians that the rotten, monopolistic behavior of Big Tech is no longer to be tolerated.
It's also time we banned non-human entities (aka corporations) from lobbying politicians in private. Any lobbying by them ought to be done at public hearings specifically held for the purpose (corporate lobbying has probably done more damage to our Democracies since the Civil War or even earlier than any single other factor.)
"As someone who routinely uses a browser that does not support Javascript,"
Likewise, my browser has JavaScript turned off by default. 1vuio0pswjnm7, what you failed to mention was how much faster webpages render without JavaScript, when it's switched off the speed improvement is enormous, also all that jerkiness and unevenness of presentation disappears. (As I've posted many times, it's not JavaScript that's the main fault-it's the enormous abuse websites commit using it. It's nothing nowadays for a webpage to be anywhere between 2 and 5MB in size, and on inspection a huge percentage of that code is devoted to serving up you private data to surveillance capitalism. Reality check: remember a standard page of text is only 2kB!)
"Javascript engine has zero effect on the browser's ability to display the information I need from the site. And I still get the info 100% of the time anyway, if I really want it."
Exactly right! Take note website owners who present blank pages when JavaScript is turned off: I used to find it a challenge to get your pages which I then proceed to do anyway. Now I no longer bother, as I've learned that websites that use such scummy lowdown tactics aren't worth visiting anyway. From my observation there's a remarkable correlation between such behavior and the [lack of] quality of the material on the website.
Re: The Vivaldi browser will not support Google’s FLoC
#99Recent related threads: Brave disables Chromium FLoC features - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26765084 - April 2021 (335 comments) Am I FLoCed? - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26755313 - April 2021 (33 comments) Google’s FLoC Is a Terrible Idea - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26344013 - March 2021 (348 comments) I know there have been others - if anyone finds them, I'll add to the above list.
(Maybe even a "HN search found 3 possibly related threads")
Re: The Vivaldi browser will not support Google’s FLoC
#100Earlier quoted context omitted.
I'll take a stab. Suppose your browser told every website you visited that you had the identifier "FAANG", and your friends web browser told every website they visited: "FAA_G" (b/c obviously they don't have netflix). Per the linked article, the browser is filling in the blanks "___N_" as you visit each website, but it's telling each website not _what_ site you visited, but that you are in the groups of "FAA_G" vs. "…
If I am reading this right (and you seem to have read it the same way) it ends up creating a browser fingerprint. Visit 1 FLoC and they have no real idea who you really are. But if you visit several they could easily tell. Which is similar to how they use your installed list of fonts to identify you. But more formalized?