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Israel may have destroyed Iranian centrifuges simply by cutting power

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Post by mamon »

systemvoltage wrote: post #82
Daho0n wrote: post #27

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If much of the world wants you dead (your words, not mine) then maybe it's time to look in a mirror. Edit: HN commenters are so thick. First of all GP says everyone hate Israel. So that must include you the reader of this comment. If you actually take that shit serious and then have a problem with my comment instead all I can say is that you should look in a mirror too. It's a fat lie. Not everyone hates Israel. Actu…

Israel is a democracy, has human rights, conducts elections, has free trade and great tech scene, currency is stable and they've got one of the best intelligence agencies. Israel's population is some 9 million which is half of Beijing city and little bit larger than SF Bay Area. Let's contrast it with fundamentalist Iranian islamic government, hell bent on developing nuclear weapons despite of non-proliferation treat…

Israel is not a democracy. It is a country ruled by religious fanatics, basically. If you are not a Jew, you do not profess Judaism you are denied some of the civil rights, maybe not officially, but practicaly. Think of all the Palestinians there.

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Post by ars »

pcbro141 wrote: post #124
Zhenya wrote: post #60

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Terror attacks are against civilian targets - hence terrorizing civilians. An attack like this is military - which could be carried out by terrorists or a govt. The difference is important.

Are nuclear scientists civilians? Would it be acceptable for Iran to assassinate Israeli nuclear scientists in Israel?

Nuclear scientists are not civilians, unless their work is entirely theoretical, without connection to actually building something.

> Would it be acceptable for Iran to assassinate Israeli nuclear scientists in Israel?

Acceptable? No. Terrorism? Also no.

A military attack is a thing you know. Not everything is terrorism.

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Post by TheGuyWhoCodes »

everdrive wrote: post #158
TheGuyWhoCodes wrote: post #41

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It doesn't have to be on a warhead but smuggled somehow. It would certainly be traced back to them so I don't think they will ever target America directly.

While this is possible, it's clear that this would be a deterrence first. The point would be that minor strikes or political actions would not have a much higher cost. For example, North Korea does not want to nuke the US. They want to possess nukes such that US actions are more constrained. It's a very unfortunate incentive.

While I agree that the main point is deterrence, the rules have changed in the last 50 year and it's not always a country vs country. Israel created their nuclear program to deter an all out war that could lead to Israel destruction but today Israel isn't fighting their direct neighbors in a conventional warfare. Nukes in the hands of North Korea are bad no matter what, don't underestimate a mad man and their cult followings.

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Post by ars »

whimsicalism wrote: post #105
fastball wrote: post #76

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Because people are anti-semitic. In this particular case, you have a muslim majority country on one side of the equation. In case you really need this much of a primer: (some) Muslims don't like Jews because they're following Muhammad's lead. Specifically, Muhammad had this to say about Jews in one of the Hadith: > The Day of Judgment will not come until Muslims fight the Jews, when the Jew will hide behind stones an…

I think it is hard to say that it is entirely anti-semitism and unrelated to what happened in Mandatory Palestine.

Attacks on Jews by Muslims LONG predate Mandatory Palestine.

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Post by chefkoch »

jkkorn wrote: post #90
bosswipe wrote: post #39

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Israel routinely attacks Iran but Israel is the one that feels threatened? How many threats has Israel made against Iran?

...and Iran routinely attacks Israel. Most recent attacks have targeted Israel's water supply, a civilian ship, funding Hezbollah to fire rockets on their behalf, training guerillas in Syria and Lebanon... Gone are the days where threatening to wipe jews off the planet was considered rhetoric. Play stupid games win stupid prizes.

>Gone are the days where threatening to wipe jews off the planet was considered rhetoric.

I'm not going to defend the current iranian gouverment, but aren't jews in Iran a recognized minority and have a seat in parliament?

So it seems they don't have anything against the religion per se.

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Post by aerodog »

fasteddie31003 wrote: post #66

Like them or not the Israeli Defense Force is arguably the most effective military in the world. From the Iron Dome, the Uzi, and the Arrow missile, the IDF has a track record of successful military projects. They seem lean and effective, unlike the US military. The US Military recently has had a track record of project failures from the F-35 to the Comanche helicopter and now they are spending $20B for Microsoft Hol…

The most effective military...that got owned by some Lebanese guerillas in 2006, and has to bomb kids on beaches with white phosphorous to get their way. Yeah chemical weapons are super effective.

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Post by monocasa »

nitrogen wrote: post #177
monocasa wrote: post #149

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No buses, only fixed purpose control signals. It's pretty hard to buffer overflow if (read_gpio(Ignition_Enable_Pin)) {

But if that GPIO triggers an interrupt, you might be able to get the processor to do interesting things by oscillating the signal faster than the processor can disable interrupts and run the ISR.

That's almost always explicitly handled for line glitch reasons.

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Post by recuter »

aborsy wrote: post #178

Frankly, Israel needs to stop waging these wars in the Middle East. Apart from moral issues, they impact everyone. The refugee crisis is affecting us Europeans. We paid the cost for US wars. JCPA was working, except for a small group that benefit from its cancellation. Iran agreed to remove its uranium under strict checks and verifications. Why killing it?

Gosh, well if it is effecting Europeans, dear oh dear..

The ME is just this peaceful relaxed place that wouldn't have any conflicts if it weren't for Israel blowing up Iranian centrifuges whose sole purpose is the fabrication of nuclear weapons, eh?

Lets just give nukes to Iran and Iraq and Syria (the later two Israel was similarly criticized for blowing up in previous decades, with Iran cheering Israel on in the 90s... food for thought..)

Meanwhile in reality (seems like the EU loves waging war in the Middle East when memory isn't selective): https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2011_military_intervention_in_...

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Post by CivBase »

mijamo wrote: post #172
CivBase wrote: post #160

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> it's entirely rational for a country under constant threat like Iran (or Israel) to want nuclear weapons. No, it's really not. It's akin to citizens wanting to walk around with ARs in case they need to defend themselves. No, worse, because at least an AR wont annihilate everyone around you after you're already dead. The value in having nuclear weapons is the threat that you could spitefully take your opponents out…

Libya wanted nukes. They were convinced not to. Now see where they are and compare with North Korea. This is why Iran wants nukes and it is very logical.

I'm not convinced every country without nukes is destined to end up like Libya. World politics are a bit more complicated than that.

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Post by whimsicalism »

ars wrote: post #184
whimsicalism wrote: post #105

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I think it is hard to say that it is entirely anti-semitism and unrelated to what happened in Mandatory Palestine.

Attacks on Jews by Muslims LONG predate Mandatory Palestine.

LONG predate? Sure, instances of Muslims attacking Jews certainly do, just as instances of Jews attacking Muslims certainly predates Mandatory Palestine by thousands of years.

But in the centuries preceding Mandatory Palestine, there was not a sizable Jewish population in the area.

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