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Israel may have destroyed Iranian centrifuges simply by cutting power

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Re: Israel may have destroyed Iranian centrifuges simply by cutting power

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Post by monocasa »

heavenlyblue wrote: post #65
devoutsalsa wrote: post #48

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This sounds like how the Galactica survived in the 2003 BSG reboot. All of the critical systems (fire control, navigation, life support, etc.) were standalone & not networked. The baddies took out all of the new ships & defense networks with a computer virus, and the old Galactica couldn’t be hacked that way. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battlestar_Galactica_(fictiona...

What does it even mean to “not be networked” and on a Galactic spaceship? I can imagine all of those systems need to communicate within their domain somehow, so they need to be connected. You could make a point that they have “not been connected to the internet”, but then it only takes one node to become a bridge between WAN and LAN and you are Pwned. It’s even worse now because there’s a tendency in software develop…

I always took it to mean fixed purpose control signals rather than sitting on a common bus.

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Post by systemvoltage »

Daho0n wrote: post #27
nullserver wrote: post #19

Israel is fighting for its existence. Iran leadership routinely makes threats to destroy America and Israel. This often get ignored or dismissed. But like waving a gun in a cops face. Well bad things happen. One nuke will piss America off. One nuke and Israel will just be gone, completely. Iran is probably capable of this, or close. From Israel standpoint the logical step is to bomb Iran military into the Stone Age.…

If much of the world wants you dead (your words, not mine) then maybe it's time to look in a mirror. Edit: HN commenters are so thick. First of all GP says everyone hate Israel. So that must include you the reader of this comment. If you actually take that shit serious and then have a problem with my comment instead all I can say is that you should look in a mirror too. It's a fat lie. Not everyone hates Israel. Actu…

Israel is a democracy, has human rights, conducts elections, has free trade and great tech scene, currency is stable and they've got one of the best intelligence agencies. Israel's population is some 9 million which is half of Beijing city and little bit larger than SF Bay Area.

Let's contrast it with fundamentalist Iranian islamic government, hell bent on developing nuclear weapons despite of non-proliferation treaty signed by the whole world in 1960's, hanging their journalists and publicly executing dissidents.

I am not sure there is a shred of doubt who is the good guy and who is the bad guy here.

Re: Israel may have destroyed Iranian centrifuges simply by cutting power

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Post by cyberscientist »

Zhenya wrote: post #60
cyberscientist wrote: post #31

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Let's be honest though, had Iran carried out such attack we would have called it a terrorist attack. I know you're about to go on about how awful Iranian regime is and they SAY they want Israel gone. But remember, Israel actually DOES carry out associations.

Terror attacks are against civilian targets - hence terrorizing civilians. An attack like this is military - which could be carried out by terrorists or a govt. The difference is important.

Like your mental gymnastics. If Iran carries out such attacks on Israeli installations, who do have nuclear weapons. We would be framing it as terrorist attack. I think the narrative build that Iran is evil and Israel is devine only allows one side to do what they want till full blown out war breaks out.

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Post by vhold »

sillysaurusx wrote: post #33

Say what you will, but being able to smuggle a bomb into a heavily fortified military installation is pro. I'd give a lot for a peek at that world: the planning, the logistics, the people. They probably have one of the most sophisticated spy networks in the world.

Or just bribe one person sufficiently..

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Post by sbierwagen »

Veen wrote: post #63
sbierwagen wrote: post #57

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None of the 19 countries in the Eurozone issue their own currency. Ecuador, El Salvador, Zumbabwe, and a couple Pacific islands use US dollars.

Bulgaria, Croatia, Czechia, Denmark, Hungary, Poland, Romania, and Sweden are EU members with their own currencies. The Eurozone does not encompass the entire EU.

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Post by newacct583 »

nullserver wrote: post #19

Israel is fighting for its existence. Iran leadership routinely makes threats to destroy America and Israel. This often get ignored or dismissed. But like waving a gun in a cops face. Well bad things happen. One nuke will piss America off. One nuke and Israel will just be gone, completely. Iran is probably capable of this, or close. From Israel standpoint the logical step is to bomb Iran military into the Stone Age.…

If the US genuinely wanted to prevent Iranian weapons research, they wouldn't have simply walked away from the deal regulating it. The Trump administrations goals were complicated (and largely self-contradictory, and in most cases just poorly-informed), but they were not motivated by a practical desire to prevent proliferation.

This is what everyone knew was going to happen. The interesting question is if "this" (an unstable persian geopolitics) is what they wanted or just an accident.

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Post by xtreme »

fasteddie31003 wrote: post #66

Like them or not the Israeli Defense Force is arguably the most effective military in the world. From the Iron Dome, the Uzi, and the Arrow missile, the IDF has a track record of successful military projects. They seem lean and effective, unlike the US military. The US Military recently has had a track record of project failures from the F-35 to the Comanche helicopter and now they are spending $20B for Microsoft Hol…

The US military is a job creation program first, and a defense force second.

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Post by klyrs »

nullserver wrote: post #19

Israel is fighting for its existence. Iran leadership routinely makes threats to destroy America and Israel. This often get ignored or dismissed. But like waving a gun in a cops face. Well bad things happen. One nuke will piss America off. One nuke and Israel will just be gone, completely. Iran is probably capable of this, or close. From Israel standpoint the logical step is to bomb Iran military into the Stone Age.…

> One nuke and Israel will just be gone, completely. Iran is probably capable of this, or close.

What? How big of a nuke do you think they can deliver? Tsar Bomba could take out a major city, and had a blast radius roughly comparable with Tel Aviv. This is horrific to even contemplate; I've got friends who live there. But it's nowhere even close to the entirety of Israel; and you can bet your ass that their nukes are distributed well enough to prevent a single point of failure. If Iran got a single nuke off, Israel would still be capable of a disproportionate response.

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Post by Veen »

sbierwagen wrote: post #85
Veen wrote: post #63

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Bulgaria, Croatia, Czechia, Denmark, Hungary, Poland, Romania, and Sweden are EU members with their own currencies. The Eurozone does not encompass the entire EU.

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I'd have deleted my correction, but I can't because you replied to it.

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Post by jkkorn »

bosswipe wrote: post #39
nullserver wrote: post #19

Israel is fighting for its existence. Iran leadership routinely makes threats to destroy America and Israel. This often get ignored or dismissed. But like waving a gun in a cops face. Well bad things happen. One nuke will piss America off. One nuke and Israel will just be gone, completely. Iran is probably capable of this, or close. From Israel standpoint the logical step is to bomb Iran military into the Stone Age.…

Israel routinely attacks Iran but Israel is the one that feels threatened? How many threats has Israel made against Iran?

...and Iran routinely attacks Israel. Most recent attacks have targeted Israel's water supply, a civilian ship, funding Hezbollah to fire rockets on their behalf, training guerillas in Syria and Lebanon...

Gone are the days where threatening to wipe jews off the planet was considered rhetoric. Play stupid games win stupid prizes.

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