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The Vivaldi browser will not support Google’s FLoC

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Re: The Vivaldi browser will not support Google’s FLoC

#61

Does FLoC include anti-tamper features or could one of Chrome's competitors "support" FLoC by populating the FLoC user profile with fabricated user data?

There's no need to tamper with anything, the specs already mention this:

> Whether the browser sends a real FLoC or a random one is user controllable

https://github.com/WICG/floc

Re: The Vivaldi browser will not support Google’s FLoC

#62
> The FLoC component in Chrome needs to call Google’s servers to check if it can function since Google is only enabling it in parts of the world that are not covered by Europe’s GDPR.

Well then, why do we keep looking for technical solutions to non-technical problems.

Please make the GDPR part of US law and we can move on. :)

Re: The Vivaldi browser will not support Google’s FLoC

#64
post #39

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That depends on what you are doing. If you are doing ecommerce, you need shipping address. GDPR does add work in this case.

Is not using the shipping address for any other reason than shipping an order really that much more effort? Sure, protecting that information is more effort, but you should be doing that already, right? not just from a GDPR perspective but a business perspective too - if a competitor can get a list of all your clients and send them brochures with 10% discount on your prices, you'll close down pretty quick.

Why do you have the list? Ideally, you purge their information after the order is delivered.

Re: The Vivaldi browser will not support Google’s FLoC

#66
post #3

The DOJ needs to strip Google's ability to run the world's most popular browser away from it. This is far more blatant than Microsoft antitrust with Internet Explorer. Google is literally shaping the entire internet into their ad funnel. Google cannot be allowed to run Chrome.

So if you create something interesting enough, the government shouldn't let you keep it? What kind of incentive is that to create interesting things?

Big enough, yes. Once you're past a certain point, it becomes a matter of social concern to limit your control over it.

Re: The Vivaldi browser will not support Google’s FLoC

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post #32

I don't see how the entire FLoC concept can succeed. There is zero incentive for Chromium forks, let alone any other browser vendor, to implement/leave-in this technology. For other browser vendors, it is zero-effort to not support it. For Chromium forks, implementing it is zero effort but also comes with the same negative gain it would have for other vendors (that end-users are blind to). Unless you consider "more r…

> I don't see how the entire FLoC concept can succeed.

It probably doesn't need to. What is important is that Google can show authorities that they tried to track less, honest guv! It's the market that won't let us!

Re: The Vivaldi browser will not support Google’s FLoC

#68
post #58

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Is FLoC built in a way where you couldn't just feed websites fake data?

You definitely could. Though apparently in incognito mode it's recommended that browsers just throw an exception rather than provide fake data: https://github.com/WICG/floc/blob/dcd4c042fa6a81b048e04a78b1...

Of course the FLoC team would want browsers to throw an exception, since that wouldn't damage the perceived legitimacy of FLoC. But as a user I'd rather feed them false data if possible.

Re: The Vivaldi browser will not support Google’s FLoC

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post #10

I’m sure there has to be a better way to introduce the audience to FLoC. I’m over five paragraphs in and the article hasn’t properly articulated what is FLoC and _why_ it is bad. Just that it is bad.

I thought the same thing, you indeed have to scroll a ways down, but it is there. There is a better explanation here https://www.theverge.com/2021/3/30/22358287/privacy-ads-goog...

Re: The Vivaldi browser will not support Google’s FLoC

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post #40
post #10

I’m sure there has to be a better way to introduce the audience to FLoC. I’m over five paragraphs in and the article hasn’t properly articulated what is FLoC and _why_ it is bad. Just that it is bad.

The EFF article helped me: https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2021/03/googles-floc-terrible-...

Really informative read, thanks!
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