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Twitch will ban users for 'severe misconduct' that occurs away from its site

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Re: Twitch will ban users for 'severe misconduct' that occurs away from its site

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Post by coffeemug »

newbie789 wrote: post #250

Coming from the perspective of someone that was an admin of a medium-large forum back in the vBulletin heyday of the early 2000s, I’m somewhat amused by people getting angry at moderation decisions. The rules were pretty clear: This is my website. I pay the bills and maintain it. Here are some clear rules that if you break them, you will be punished with a ban/suspension/shadow an/redirect to goatse upon login/etc. a…

This attitude doesn't translate to market conditions governed by power law winner-takes-all dynamics.

Re: Twitch will ban users for 'severe misconduct' that occurs away from its site

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Post by romwell »

weird-eye-issue wrote: post #482
onethought wrote: post #434

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Isn’t this just like other sports, where a star is pilloried for some indiscretion outside of their sport which can result in them being dropped from a team etc?

That is up to the team though. This is closer to a TV station banning somebody so now they can't compete in a sport that will be broadcast on that station, forcing the team to kick them off.

>This is closer to a TV station banning somebody

So the FCC won't let me be, or let me be me, so let me see...

Yeah, TV stations (like MTV) have been banning people in the past too.

Re: Twitch will ban users for 'severe misconduct' that occurs away from its site

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Post by ceejayoz »

LudwigNagasena wrote: post #422
Goronmon wrote: post #374

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That's a easy statement to make until you actually try to define what "some point" actually means.

We agree that kids become adults at 18 and no one has a big problem with this. I don’t believe demarcating this “some point” is far more complicated.

> We agree that kids become adults at 18 and no one has a big problem with this.

We don’t, though. Can’t drink until 21. Rental cars and credit cards have extra restrictions until 25. Etc.

Re: Twitch will ban users for 'severe misconduct' that occurs away from its site

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Post by madeofpalk »

Andrew_nenakhov wrote: post #200
hackersword wrote: post #162

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They didn't "silence" him because his brand of politics. Their stated reason for banning him from their platform was literally " due to the risk of further incitement of violence." Their TOS have specific "Glorification of Violence policy", which aims to prevent the glorification of violence that could inspire others to replicate violent acts and determined that they were highly likely to encourage and inspire people…

Everyone and their cat understands that it is hypocritical bullshit. They'd let his incitements slide easily if he was their political ally and not an opponent. I don't have a horse in that race, but it is disgusting how people defend this blatant and obvious bias as perfectly normal thing.

It’s really difficult to know whether that’s true or not when we have a sample size of 1

Re: Twitch will ban users for 'severe misconduct' that occurs away from its site

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Post by Ekaros »

rootusrootus wrote: post #495
cosmodisk wrote: post #438

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There are a few bubbles in the US,where people make way more than in Europe: SV, Some finance jobs on the Wall Street, maybe the oil industry. That's about it. Outside of those, it's more or less the same like in Europe, minus safety net and holiday. There are pros and cons on each side of the pond,no doubt, but in my opinion, the US is probably better suited for those with a very high income,while an average person…

My company employs people in Europe, and across the US. The highest paid Europeans still make less than any of our associates in the midwest. And we have unlimited vacation & sick time, so I'm not sure what advantage the 28 holiday thing is. I completely agree that the U.S. is better suited for high income earners.

Advantage of 28 days is that company can't stop or fire you from using them. And will be punished for not allowing it.

Re: Twitch will ban users for 'severe misconduct' that occurs away from its site

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Post by a1369209993 »

edmundsauto wrote: post #249
ta20210405 wrote: post #152

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It's also nothing new. Consider the Congressional hearings about rock and roll in the 80s[0], or other moral panics like Prohibition. Anti-abortion groups are a particularly vile form of cancel culture. Politicians will be silently cancelled (not elected) for not publicly pretending to believe in the right sky fairie. Societies have always shut down behavior and media they collectively find inappropriate. There's no…

> There's no need to track this as anything other than a continuation in a long history of collective groups of humans doing what they do.

That's fair and accurate as far as it goes, but it doesn't really negate the need to oppose this particular continuation of said history, any more than it negated the need to oppose eg Prohibition or the Spanish Inquision when those were happening.

Re: Twitch will ban users for 'severe misconduct' that occurs away from its site

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Post by notamy »

yeetawayhn wrote: post #306
anthonypasq wrote: post #233

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companies have speech rights that you would be infringing on by doing this

"Corporations are people too, my friend."

I'll believe it when Texas executes one.

Re: Twitch will ban users for 'severe misconduct' that occurs away from its site

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Post by madeofpalk »

redm wrote: post #8

"The company said users will be able to report such behaviors but it may also investigate cases proactively, for instance if there is a verified news report that a user has been arrested." So we've arrived at "innocent until accused" instead of "innocent until proven guilty"? And if proven guilty, they will both be punished under the law, and again by companies like Twitch? If proven innocent will they be restored? W…

I’m really not sure what you’re saying. Are you suggesting websites shouldn’t be able to moderate itself?

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Post by psychiatrist24 »

omgwtfbbq wrote: post #459
tesmar2 wrote: post #456

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Well, it’s not just money. By lowering the taxes and regulatory environment, you increase individual freedoms. That’s worth a lot to Americans.

Sure, the freedom to be murdered in a mass shooting or go bankrupt due to a basic medical issue. I think much of the world thinks that the American "System" is rather disturbing and callous.

Should be easy to check by comparing applications for immigration.

Re: Twitch will ban users for 'severe misconduct' that occurs away from its site

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Post by zouhair »

newbie789 wrote: post #250

Coming from the perspective of someone that was an admin of a medium-large forum back in the vBulletin heyday of the early 2000s, I’m somewhat amused by people getting angry at moderation decisions. The rules were pretty clear: This is my website. I pay the bills and maintain it. Here are some clear rules that if you break them, you will be punished with a ban/suspension/shadow an/redirect to goatse upon login/etc. a…

> This is literally how the internet has worked forever.

I don't know what specific fallacy is this, but stating that how it always worked does not mean it should have worked that way or that it should never change.

Twitch would not exists without content creators. Neither would exist without the other.

In that relationship Twitch has the last word on everything.

I would argue that it shouldn't be this way or at least not this one sided. Content creators should have a say on Twitch's decisions.

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