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LG is getting out of the mobile phone business

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Post by pjmlp »

oriolid wrote: post #666
pjmlp wrote: post #649

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In the sense that OpenSL is out of the game, and AAudio is good enough for Samsung to drop their Audio SDK. Now if you compare it with iOS, it still isn't going to win the race, neither in ms nor in tooling. https://android-developers.googleblog.com/2021/03/high-perfo...

"Good enough for Samsung" is very, very low bar. It could have been removed too because app developers didn't use it, because they couldn't make it stable or because they couldn't make it work together with mic permissions. Anyway, I'm interested in numbers, and specifically whether switching from Android Audio or OpenSL to AAudio brings any significant improvement.

What the hell is Android Audio?

I suggest you to educate yourself in Android audio subsytems.

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Post by dvdkon »

pjmlp wrote: post #648
dvdkon wrote: post #630

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So they can either put in a monstrous effort to end up with a worse product or not be on the Play Store. I know what I'd choose. The kind of people who want Termux are capable of downloading an APK, I wouldn't worry too much about it.

APKs are deprecated, replaced by Android App Bundles, adapt or die.

You keep saying that, but I don't see Termux dying unless Google straight up disallows fork() for all apps, even old ones.

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Post by exikyut »

mdhen wrote: post #650
lwelyk wrote: post #645

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Yeah, I unfortunately finally gave up the headphone jack. My phone broke and I couldn't find a good phone that had wireless charging, a headphone jack and a micro SD card slot. I went with the S20 FE since it had 2 of them. The budget galaxys seem have headphone and mcicro sd but not wireless charging. I almost bought an old S10 since that's the last galaxy with all three, but figured since it'd be losing update supp…

I recommend getting an es100 to pair with wired headphones

Genuine question: isn't a "Bluetooth" "DAC" an oxymoron? The only way I can imagine I'm getting the quality level I'd expect for $100-$200 is if I were sending it uncompressed audio. Which Bluetooth definitely doesn't have the bitrate for.

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Post by exikyut »

AdrianB1 wrote: post #653
dizzystar wrote: post #644

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If you want minimal bloatware with Android, why not get a Pixel? I've the Pixel 3a for 2 years now. It's the longest-lasting smart phone I've ever had, and there are no indications that it is falling over. The 4a is 6" and has a headphone jack.

Because Pixel is not available in most countries, including more than half of Europe. I had the Nexus 5x, I wanted a Pixel and the only option was the gray market at double the price.

Wow. I'm genuinely curious as to why.

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Post by Mindwipe »

jessriedel wrote: post #621
simfoo wrote: post #428

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Samsung S10e has both. Best smartphone I ever owned (once you got rid of all the crapware using ADB).

Are there any services that will strip off bloatware using ADB for you? Would be happy to pay $100 for it to just reliably work out of the box then spend a bunch of time reading forums and worrying that something will break.

Honestly you don't need to remove anything. You can just hold the icon and uninstall virtually anything nowadays. There may be a few megabytes of shim left behind but that doesn't really matter and will never affect your life.

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Post by Engineering-MD »

mpol wrote: post #307
Engineering-MD wrote: post #283

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>>“I can't go out and buy a Tizen or Windows phone in large part because of Google's pathological Android licensing. Google force carriers to choose between their, supposedly open, ecosystem and shipping alternative OSes.” I don’t understand how such a licence can be legal. Surely it is monopolistic practices? Yes, Apple exists at a consumer level, but at the level of phone manufacturers google has a monopoly on lice…

Could the difficulty be around the duopoly? We mostly have laws about monopolies, there can be some push-back against monopolies, but with a duopoly everything "seems" right. I see so many discussions on the internet, also on HN, following the same ritual. Apple does something bad, and people say "Just choose something from the competition, like Google". Then Google does something bad and people say "Just choose some…

I actually meant ignoring the consumer level and look at the manufactures as the customer. If you are looking for an OS to put on your new phone you are manufacturing, what choice do you have? Apple doesn’t license iOS. Linux isn’t a feasible product yet, Windows is out. That means surely Android is a monopoly at this level no?

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Post by Mindwipe »

Engineering-MD wrote: post #283
underwater wrote: post #241

The mobile phone ecosystem is sick, and I don't see it getting better. The fact that there is not a third choice is maddening. Even in the worst parts of the Microsoft era we had Apple as the underdog. Apple products had issues, but Apple die-hards at least could rest easy knowing that they were buying into a company who stood for something. In the mobile space the underdog is Google; a company who sees dealing with…

>>“I can't go out and buy a Tizen or Windows phone in large part because of Google's pathological Android licensing. Google force carriers to choose between their, supposedly open, ecosystem and shipping alternative OSes.” I don’t understand how such a licence can be legal. Surely it is monopolistic practices? Yes, Apple exists at a consumer level, but at the level of phone manufacturers google has a monopoly on lice…

> I don’t understand how such a licence can be legal.

It wasn't in the EU, which is why they had to change it.

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Post by eptcyka »

ineedasername wrote: post #655
eptcyka wrote: post #596

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I am sure you'll end up retiring your pixel 4a far sooner than it will become unusable due to wear and tear due to Google's ridiculously short support term :/ I believe my next phone will be a glorious fruit device, probably a second hand one.

It's good for a minimum of 3 years of updates and tech support, or 18 months after it is last sold by Google, whichever is longer. That's plenty for me, I usually flip my old phone on eBay and use that towards a new one ever 1-2 years.

It may be plenty for you, sure. But you're flipping the phones. I take it there's a market for people who want phones without security updates. That's certainly not me though. I find it despicable that the phone I bought almost 2 years ago (Pixel 3) will not receive any updates after October, and as such, I will no longer use it. But there's literally nothing wrong with the phone, cosmetically it's in near perfect condition, all the hardware works, and it's still plenty fast. As it stands, to get the max 3 years of support, you literally have to buy the phone on day 1. This is pathetic. My next phone will be an iPhone.

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Post by AdrianB1 »

exikyut wrote: post #674
AdrianB1 wrote: post #653

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Because Pixel is not available in most countries, including more than half of Europe. I had the Nexus 5x, I wanted a Pixel and the only option was the gray market at double the price.

Wow. I'm genuinely curious as to why.

It is Google's decision. I guess it may be related to consumer protection laws in Europe that sets the minimum warranty to 2 years; I had 2 defective Nexus 5X (boot loop), fixing or replacing it is costly for Google. I replaced one on warranty, it was bought locally, the other one was bought from USA and I could not RMA it.
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